i witnessed to a jw and he accepted that salvation comes through faith only, and the works come later showing that you are a saved person.
but he continiously argues that salvation can be lost according to our behavior.
what do you all say about this?
I firmly believe that if there is even a speck of good left in you, God can find it and WILL drag it out of you, whether you want to or not.
If, however, you have corrupted yourself to the point where "all your thoughts are bad all the time," then God can get disgusted with you and kill you.
I think we have much less control, and yet much more, than most people think.
CZAR
what are your most successful methods for dealing with their visit?
do you prefer to "blow 'em off"?
or do you attempt to dissuade them from their inanity?.
I don't think that they even come around - or if they do, I'm not home.
I see them on the streets, holding Watchtowers and not looking at anybody.
I'd drag them in and do them up, House of 1000 corpses style!
CZAR
there are no right or wrong answers.
this is to discover what sort of brit you are / could be..
1. name the queen of england:
Hm...
I'm a Churchill!
CZAR
as in ....you post something you feel is rather innocuous, or sincere, or perhaps revealing something rather private and honest and candid, and someone blows you away with a nasty comment?.
i am not speaking of heated debates.
if one participates in those, one expects to receive passionate replies which may sometimes hurt.
What? when was this? Who said this?
When you are dealing with a bully, you can either respond with silence, or with the Czar's Crazy Neighbor Jesse Memorial Argumentation Procedure.
The CCMJMAP is where you get your crazy neighbor Jesse to beat up your bully. No muss, no fuss.
So, look around for a crazy neighbor (I bet you don't have to look too hard, hee hee) and have THEM take on said bully in an all-out lfame war to the finish. No muss, no fuss.
CZAR of the No Muss No Fuss Class
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even when we dismiss the bible,belief in an original paradise that was lost because of sin was wide-spread among the ancient babylonians,assyrians, egyptians,and others.common to many accounts was a tree of life the fruit of which would confer eternal life on those partaking of it.so mankind remembera that something tragic happened in eden.. scientists acknowledge that the human race is a single family with a common origin.. so,bible or not,could there be any truth,proof,about this event,is it possible to have eternal life on earth or, are the stories among the ancients only myths?.
blueblades
I admit it! I forged the whole Adam and Eve myth as a junior high prank.
CZAR
when i read about september 11 and the anniversary of the terrorist attacks, i always think something big is being planned again.
do you tend to worry about this stuff?
Ah-HA! So that's what happened to Francois' files! Some terrorists stole them!
Nope. I wasnt' scared even when it was going on the first time. confused, angry, and ready to kill, maybe, and if there was ever a time when I could have lashed out unreasoningly at a certain ethnic group, it was September 11 until about the 20th, 2001.
But scared takes a certain - I don't know - mental state of being unwilling for things to change, and I think that I'm too bitter and hard after my dub experience to be afraid. I feel sad for those who suffer, I feel angry at those who cause the suffering, but fear for my own life is not something I'm particularly obsessed with. I mean, if I actually SEE the bomb, then maybe I'd be scared, but I refuse to operate out of a nameless fear - and that's why I never did anything because I was scared of Armageddon.
CZAR
i have seen many posts here about addiction psychology and its relationsship to jw's.
this is an interesting area... and i tend to be a bit sceptical simply due to the "trendyness" that addiction psych is experiencing.
i personally see links to low-intensity borderline personality disorder (high-intensity seems to lead to self-mutilation and suicide attempts, the latter of which we have all heard about).
I'm bipolar - and have had some experience with self-mutilation. Now I get tattoos as part of my spiritual development.
CZAR
i was reading a post on another thread about a 70yr old sister who's husband was a pillar of the circuit in times past now just drowned out most of what she heard from the platform as someones personal oppinion and served jehovah the way she felt was right.
is this typical of someone who has been in the org for that long, the difference being that she felt comfortable enough with the people concerned to actually voice it?
what about the people who joined in the 20s and 30s and have seen all the new light coming in over the years, has any asked them how different it all is now to the religion they joined?.
I know. And soon even the pillars will disappear. Wow.
CZAR
okay, we have been rearranged in our "pods" at my exciting career position listening to persons bitch about a popular sports drink.
james, the jw, has been re-seated.
i've got a few inches separating me from him.
I understand the visceral reaction you get when you see that stuff. It still makes me get all antsy.
I suggest, and I know I've said this before, that you hire a prostitute to seduce / scare him away.
Sex repels Witnesses like Vampires before the Holy Host, or Moths and Flame... wait a minute...
CZAR
thank you all for your kind words and concern.
my wife tells me the meeting with the three wise-men went pretty good.
regrettably, no elders were decked during the meeting (yes i am quite disappointed too) and so an announcement will be made next week that he was reproved and found repentant.
Let hormones work their magic - there is more runins with the Doublethinktank ahead.
CZAR
