No.
HA!
CZAR
ps: It can be a great stress reliever, once in a while. But too much and it just makes me tired.
been going through a lot lately.
feeling the depression creeping in every once in awhile.
who here likes to pound back a few beers???
No.
HA!
CZAR
ps: It can be a great stress reliever, once in a while. But too much and it just makes me tired.
okay, maybe goodness isn't the best word, but i wanted to talk about the idea of spirituality as something intrinsic and internal rather than something we seek 'out there.
' religion is of course supposed to be a vehicle for spirituality, so given the above premise the question is does it bring you back to that intrinsic spirituality or does it take you 'out' to some way of believing or behaving?
it reminds me of the movie fight club where they go steal human fat from a lipsuction clinic to make soap, and at the department store where they are selling the soap for something like $20 a bar the narrator goes: "it was beautiful, we were selling rich women their fat asses back to them.
I think that spirituality is a way of condensing innumerable physical facts into a decision for action. I mean, any activity that we indulge in, from war to hunting to sex - has been and can be spiritualized. The reasons for engaging in activities or NOT engaging in activities can be simplified and reinforced by assigning them spiritual values.
For instance, a man is generally a peaceable creature - but he is also aggressive. He is defensive of what is his, he gets angry easily. There is a time for war, as the Bible says. Hence, many cultures create a spiritual nature for the war instinct. It simplifies the questions of when it is right to kill and when it is not right to kill. From the bull cults of ancient Rome to the war paints and dance rituals of Native Americans to the heavily ornate armor and chivalraic codes of the Knights Templar - men have sought to create a higher purpose for a basic instinct. It works, not just because people believe it, but because it CREATES belief. This allows people to connect with their concept of a higher power through fairly ordinary activities.
Now rituals without spirituality are what constitute religion, at least in my mind. Religion is a cultural thing - it's a way to get together with neighbors, exchange gossip, create common values, build mercantile relationships - for most people, I would wager, the religion and the spirituality are often separate. There are parts of the rituals of religion that appeal to different people, especially in our times which allow for greater individual choice. for instance, some women I know get a great deal of spiritual fulfillment from believing in the Transubstantiation. They connect with a higher power inside of their religious rituals.
I have no real point or sum-up; I just was throwing out some thought I was having just the other day, actually. It's fall, and in Pennsylvania, the leaves are almost off the trees, but some are still hanging on. It makes me thoughtful.
CZAR
I've heard of things like this before. I hope the boy can get help dealing with everything. I wonder what the long term effects on him will be?
CZAR
last night, i got up for work (third shift) everyone in the house is asleep.
after watching the movie "the ring" earlier that day with my neice and nephews, i started scaring myself with my thoughts.
my son's tv has a weird short and sometimes it comes on by itself...(one time i woke up around 5 am and saved by the bell was blaring in his room)...(now that's scary).
Alan, I used to get nightmares about Lady Elaine Fairchild from Mr. Rogers Neighborhood - only in my dreams she was twelve feet tall and could trip you with the wind!
Yikes...
CZAR
today i bought some cottonelle alow & e toilet paper.
oh my gawd... i will never use anything else again!
this stuff is awsome!!
Ha! Proof of a benevolent creator lies in Elsewhere's arse! Soon, the faithful will be making pilgramages to vouchsafe their pleas before the Holy Arse Hole, and to hear the wisdom from within. Scientists will poke and prod and come away mystified by the Sacred Holey of Holeys.
But it won't weep blood, anymore... har har har...
CZAR
last night, i got up for work (third shift) everyone in the house is asleep.
after watching the movie "the ring" earlier that day with my neice and nephews, i started scaring myself with my thoughts.
my son's tv has a weird short and sometimes it comes on by itself...(one time i woke up around 5 am and saved by the bell was blaring in his room)...(now that's scary).
Well done.
(applauds nancy)
It's been a long time since I had that reaction - although when I saw the Blair Witch Project, I was sitting there thinking, this is dumb - but then I had to walk home through the woods... yikes...
CZAR
3 of us ex-mind/social control victims met yesterday for breakfast in the chicago area and discussed the subject of culpability within the wt org.
where do you think the responsibility lies.
is everyone on the congregational level guilty because at one time or another we all had doubts that we compartmentalized?
Responsibility is such a weird word to use. Accountability is also strange. It implies a judge or a time of judgement, or at least an absolute standard to measure them against. Which, I think we can all agree, isn't real or isn't going to happen.
Now, who is responsible for each individual escaping? The individuals, obviously.
CZAR
in all of my postings i have sounded out a message of warning to all of those that cared to listen.
we are at the point where a warning is in the form of a solemn plea.
i am revealing to you a secret that most everyone has always asked.
A direct blasphemy against God will not be forgiven ! ! !
Did not Jesus promise that every word spoken against God and Jesus would be forgiven? That the only unforgiveable sin was blasphemy against the holy spirit? Which is impossible to do these days, since there aren't patently obvious miracles for us to deny. At least, none I've noticed. Healings, exorcisms, walking on water, feeding thousands with a few loaves and fishes... these are obviously miracles that no rational and good human could possibly deny as being from God if he saw it. But a tired old threat about Armageddon; with no miracle to back it up? Even Moses was given a sign to carry to the Israelites in Egypt, wasn't he? But all YOU have done is make a false prediction in Jehovah's name; which according to the Bible means we should actually kill you when it fails to come to pass.
Good thing we don't pay too much attention to the Old Testament around here, huh?
CZAR
from page 3 in the section "where is this world heading?
": the religious scene: churches back factions in war.
clergy charged in genocide.
Isn't it odd that we study the poop, erm, I mean, the spiritual food, with far more attention to detail and accuracy than we ever did in the WT?
I was not previously aware of the desire to prosecute the WT in Australia for obstruction of justice. Is this just a passing statement or an actual drive?
CZAR
in all of my postings i have sounded out a message of warning to all of those that cared to listen.
we are at the point where a warning is in the form of a solemn plea.
i am revealing to you a secret that most everyone has always asked.
It is important not to ridicule something that Jehovah has set apart as sacred. Jehovah will correct them to the proper degree.
If I recall correctly, Jehovah's prophet mocked the priests of Baal over their powerlessness. Now YOU are bringing a dead god before us and telling us we can't mock YOU? At least we aren't going to drag you over to a big rock and slaughter you there... just let the nice doctors medicate you - ask for Adavan. It'll make the demons go away!
CZAR