it's been four years (has it really been that long) that i haven't been on jwd.. i was back out west for a long while and i came back to new england.
just got an appartment with another sister and things are looking up.
i'm keeping under the radar and avoiding elder visits--not fully out of the kingdom hall yet.
I was back out west for a long while and I came back to New England.
Yes. New England has a way of sucking you back in even though all you want to do is escape from it.
I'm dreading the days when I will have to go back, but it beckons to me, reaching out with its cold wintery hands all the way to Asia.
waste a good part of the morning at Dunkin Donuts
What I would give to be able to waste time at a Dunkin Donuts! I want hazelnut coffee!!!!!
Welcome!
..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
I go for a walk in the forest and a tick latches on to my clothes. While I'm sleeping the tick bites into me and inserts lyme disease. I weaken get sick and without treatment I will likely die. Another man goes into the jungle, gets bitten by a viper and dies a horrible death. A third man walks into the forest and eats a poisonous berry that he mistook for a black berry. He dies... Where was god? Why did he create the natural world to be like that? The answer is: He didn't. There is no loving god. There probably, in all likelihood, is no creator at all.
No matter how you try to stretch it, this universe gives us no indication that a loving god exists. People want to believe he does (me included), but reality can be a bit**.
a couple of saturdays ago i and my girlfriend (who happens to be baptised into the greek orthodox religion, but practises greek catholic...no, she's not greek) were on the virgin train from glasgow to london.. we had reserved seats on the quiet zone of the train, because y'know, a 5 hour train journey shouldn't be sullied by mobile phones ringing and noisy conversations.. somewhere around the lake district a very tall woman sits at the table across the carriage from us, a table already occupied by a very chatty, bearded man in his late 50s, along with his wife.
this man was directing people where to stow their luggage and asking random travellers questions about their journey to the point where i sent my girlfriend a text message (easier to communicate that way without others overhearing us) asking if he was the "train boss".. he struck up a conversation with this new passenger about his travels, but i wasn't really paying attention as i was watching a movie on my ipad, wearing noise cancelling headphones.
after a little while i noticed they'd stopped chatting and the woman was now reading.
What the devil is a "Virgin train"? i didn't know trains could have sex.
soliciting any and all opinions.
as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.
my fade has gone from us fighting.
Two things I forgot to add about my experience with my wife and getting her out with me:
She had already seen some injustices within the congregation and i think that when i told her my true feelings those experiences that she had, helped to open her eyes to what I was saying. The other thing that really really helped was moving away from the congregation where she had all kinds of sentimental attachments to. I started the fade in a new hall. In the new cong, she had no friendships and it was much easier for her to see the messed up side of the cong. Had we stayed in the original congregation, I think she would have resisted me much more firmly, also she would have been more prone to the love bombing of her mother congregation.
I want to make it clear that when I told her that I was done,that she didnt have to leave with me. I said I'd support her if she wanted to continue. I even said I'd drop her off at the kingdomhall. Over and over I stressed that i loved her regardless of religion. Yet I made it clear that I was miserable and could no longer continue while holding on to my sanity.
At first she braved through it and tried to go to the meetings, but the rumors and questions that she had to continually deal with really irritated her. She noticed that people started to look at her funny and act unnatural around her. All this commotion finally gave her the strength to be honest with herself and start examining her religion.
To sum it up, timing is important, especially if something within the congregation is really bothering her.
Moving to a neutral location really helps, too.
Good luck FMF!
Also, JWdaughter: We love having you here. Your contributions and feelings are valuable and add insight to this forum. If people have a problem that you are Muslim, they can go fly a kite! I, for one, am glad there are all kinds of people on this forum.
recently it seems very quiet in jw land.. jw broadcasting has been in full swing for months now, nobody bats an eye lid at that anymore.. so the question is, what is next?
the next organisation change, the next doctrine change.
it seems like this is the quiet before the storm.. the way things are going, it's almost like they try and one up their last change, things in jw land get that bit more crazy every year.. i'm hedging my bets toward a monthly public talk broadcast straight from new york.
Exactly what Doc said.Licking their wounds in a cave somewhere.
The leaders are scared ishtless of losing control or doing something to start a mass exodus.
I think the next Nulite will be them proclaiming the great tribulation has begun, so expect imminent persecution.
In reality they will just replace the overused "last days' with "great tribulation" to get people active and productive.
soliciting any and all opinions.
as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.
my fade has gone from us fighting.
I told my wife quite simply that I can't deal with this religion being in my head anymore. It makes me want to kill myself. Every time I hear the words, "last days" "armageddon" "sense of urgency"and the weight of having to save people from a capricious God was just too much burden to bear. I told her I dont want to worship a god that will kill all these clueless people. I wanted to let her know, right from the beginning, that I was done with it all. She first threatened to leave, then kick me out. Suddenly she did an about face, started researching for herself what had made me feel as strongly and convinced as I did. She's more out now than I am. I guess it all depends how much your wife loves you verses the borg.if you are already being shunned by your family then I see no reason to not show all of your cards to your wife.
i know of some individuals who are full-blown, disassociated apostate, yet their still in wives remain by their side because of the authentic love that they have for each other.
Daniel Genser's story on JWsurvey is just awesome. It proves that if one's wife really loves her husband (or husband loves his wife), he/she will adapt and stick with their mate no matter what.
or, maybe it's being promoted as the next big thing to replace manga.
sent to me by a university lecturer of my acquaintance.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=260&v=m8-vje-bq9c.
That's a *****d up video, but sadly it's the perfect embodiment of young Japanese people's version of what is cute and in vogue these days. The lyrics are all helter-skelter without much reason or rhyme to them. Basically saying to come to Japan when you are feeling down. Enjoy the culture, eat our chocolate and famous dishes. Take a dip in an onsen spa and visit the famous places here. Enjoy Japan because it's a stable,safe place to be etc. The foreign guy is just prattling off a list of things to do and places to visit in his death metal voice.
The girl singers are high school students, probably part of a small-time band out of Tokyo.
So many young people here dress like princess prostitutes and think it's cute, not pedophilic. Sadly this is resulting in many kids and teenagers getting stalked, kidnapped and raped.
I asked my Japanese friends if anyone has ever heard of "Ladybaby" and none of them had. The song's name is Nippon Manju. Nippon is another way to say Nihon, which means Japan. Manju is a rice snack filled with red bean paste - I love it!
photo was posted on jw-archive.
j.w.org flags flying at the 2015 r.c.
in fribourg, switzerland..
What's next? A pledge of allegiance to the organization?
Already have one:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? "Yes!" (shouted out while standing in front of thousands).
am finding a whole lot of acronyms that are really foreign to me and i now have an appreciation for what cult language sounds like to non-culters.
wondering please if you can post your definitions so i can get up to speed.
otherwise, as an indoctrinated ex-culter, i am inclined to create my own new light and swiftly it will be gospel.
BTTT - Breakfast Time and TeleTubbies??
COBE- Coordinator of the body of darklords(elders)
sometime ago i wrote here in this forum about the case of my sister, who decided to stop attending the meetings because she realised that the watchtower society is an evil organization.
this happened more than one year ago.
i am not living in the same country of my sister, so i learn about her case when she calls me or when she write me through whatsapp.
She should go to the police claiming these elders are stalking her. Her neighbors can serve as " two witnesses" to the fact. Then she should inform these Pharisees that they must attend a Judicial committee to deal with their crime. Let them get a taste of their own poison.
