I don't want to piss anybody off with this post so please don't get offended. My family always goes all out for Thanksgiving and X-mas. Part of that going all out means lots of booze. An aunt has asked the family not to serve alcohol because her son is fresh out of a rehab. Do you think she is out of line to make a request like that? Personally I think she is. Since the gathering will be at my brothers house ultimately it was his call to make. Being the beer lover that he is he said they were going to serve it. Now she is all pissed off. Its kind of put a damper on things and were not sure if they are still coming. She says were being selfish. Do you think we are?
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Serving alcohol when a recovering alcoholic is present
by unbeliever ini don't want to piss anybody off with this post so please don't get offended.
my family always goes all out for thanksgiving and x-mas.
part of that going all out means lots of booze.
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My dub mom wants to remarry
by unbeliever inbefore she can though she needs my dad to admit to adultary.
they've been divorced for years but he has never remarried and has no plans too.. she says she's in love with a widowed brother but before they go any further she wants to be scriptually free.
she called my dad and asked him if he would help her out and he laughed and hung up the phone.
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Did you discuss the posts and suggestions here on this thread with him?
Yes I sent him the link. JT's story gave him a big laugh. I've been trying to get him and my sister to post here for months but have had no luck.
What are his pioneer kids like?
Son#1 is 25-26 years old and is a pioneer/MS. Goal in life is to make elder. He volunteers to work at Bethel every chance he gets. My friends and I use to call him Asshole Jr. He's very anal like his father.
Son#2 is 23 and a pioneer. He use to have a mad crush on me and would always tell me to be stronger in the troof. He even once told me "you never know what might happen a few years from now". No thank you! I saw him in February at a wedding and he kept on looking at me. I gave him a dirty look and he finally stopped staring. I remember him as being very arrogant and was always looking in the mirror. I am really surprised he has not married yet. He's good looking and a pioneer so its not like he would have trouble getting a jw woman. I guess he's still pineing away for me.
Daughter- She is around 20 years old. She pioneers, always going to KH projects and will travel to other cong. where there is a low # of publishers and help them cover their territory. I remember her as being the sweetest thing as a little kid. She is a real pill now and is the type to turn you in for anything. She will get on great with my mother. My friend who is doing the fade says she is determined to marry an elder and is always on the prowl at assemblies. Doesn't want a local brother and must be over 25. Can't say I blame her.
If they try and get me to come back I will be more than happy to tell them why I won't go back in a non confrontational way. In the past I would try and be polite and then the witnesses would say something to piss me off and I would become hostile and downright hateful sometimes. I once called a group of about 10 witnesses at my moms house pricks. I'll try being nice the whole time and see where it gets me. They can be my guine (sp?) pigs. I think in this situation they should bring up the dub topic first. They might not even want to talk to me considering they know how I feel about the witnesses. We'll see.
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Do you ever discuss having been....
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a jw to new friends?
what's their reactions?
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If the subject comes up I will be open about my past. I don't go out of my way to discuss it. The usual reaction is curiousity and mostly ask about the holidays.
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My dub mom wants to remarry
by unbeliever inbefore she can though she needs my dad to admit to adultary.
they've been divorced for years but he has never remarried and has no plans too.. she says she's in love with a widowed brother but before they go any further she wants to be scriptually free.
she called my dad and asked him if he would help her out and he laughed and hung up the phone.
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Just an update. I printed off the article blondie posted and took it to my moms house when I got done with my run this morning. She read it and I could tell she has not come across it before. I told her she needed to thank apostates on the internet for there being a glimmer of hope that she can remarry w/o dads cooperation. She quickly changed the topic to our usual chat and that is about the weather.
I did ask her if the elders were giving her a hard time about dating since they did not consider her scriptually free and she said they had not given her any trouble. She told me before that she went out in FS and sat at meetings with this widowed elder. Well get this she admitted to me that they have never even kissed before and just held hands!!! What the hell??? They are talking marriage for christ sake. I could not help myself I told her the whole jw dating scene was totally screwed up. I wanted to use the word fu*ked up but held back. Then she got started on me about the fact that she knows I've had sex before marriage and that I know its a sin against jehovah and that I have no right to judge the jw's. So anyway that was the end of that conversation and I left.
I met with my dad and brother for lunch and we had a good chuckle about how mom has been acting the past couple of days over Fajitas.
There has been some talk over the character of this widowed elder. I have known him all my life. I knew his wife. Typical elderette. I know his kids. There around my age. I never did like him because he dragged me in the back more than once on some fact finding mission trying to either find dirt on me or someone else. He was not as bad as some elders. I think he's a good match for mom because they both eat and sleep the organization. My mom is not part of my everyday life. I don't think I would ever see her at all if not for my 4 year old nephew. I pick him up on Thursday nights because my brother does not let her take him to meetings. That takes all of 2 minutes. That is really the extent of our relationship. She does not even know where my younger brother lives. That's how close they are. My older brother can tolerate her for very short periods of time. He will visit her about 20 minutes each week. I don't think it will have much of an impact on our lives if she marries this guy. She's a big girl. I hope she has chosen right. She will become stepmommy to 3 adult pioneer children who still live at home. They only work part time and have no college education.
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My dub mom wants to remarry
by unbeliever inbefore she can though she needs my dad to admit to adultary.
they've been divorced for years but he has never remarried and has no plans too.. she says she's in love with a widowed brother but before they go any further she wants to be scriptually free.
she called my dad and asked him if he would help her out and he laughed and hung up the phone.
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I e-mailed mom and told her to make it very clear to the elders that she FEELS she is free to remarry and that her conscience is clear where dad is concerned. She needs to tell the elders its between her and Jehovah now. I don't think she emphasized that enough when she spoke to them. I also mentioned that dad would not help her out and that I felt it was very wrong of her to drag my brothers and I into this. I wished her luck and a happy life but I would not not try and talk dad into anything. You think I will be invited to the wedding? That's if she gets the elders permission first.
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My dub mom wants to remarry
by unbeliever inbefore she can though she needs my dad to admit to adultary.
they've been divorced for years but he has never remarried and has no plans too.. she says she's in love with a widowed brother but before they go any further she wants to be scriptually free.
she called my dad and asked him if he would help her out and he laughed and hung up the phone.
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If she truely believed her religions' teachings... she would not have said this - and instead would believe in their oft' preached Armageddon - and that she would THEN be 'scripturally free' afterwards to remarry 'in the new system'.
Obviously, she has an itch that can't wait till then, eh? *wink*
You got it Jim. She is very
hornymuch in love with this brother and wants him bad.From my previous experiences and dealings with the JW's - I KNOW for a FACT that they have loopholes that this gal could use - IF she REALLY wanted to - to get remarried. The same goes with my ex-wifey.
She WANTS to get remarried. She won't go against the elders though. Her "BF" is an elder himself and she is an aux. pioneer and VERY strong in the troof. She has chosen that religion over her family time and time again. She has more than proved her loyalty. I don't understand why they won't just take her word that she "feels" she is free to remarry and leave it between her and the false god she worships. They have been divorced for so many years. Why would her elders supposedly close friends of hers not give her the okay? It makes no sense. You know what though she is doing this to herself. If she went ahead and married this brother do you think they would lose their "privledges"?
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My dub mom wants to remarry
by unbeliever inbefore she can though she needs my dad to admit to adultary.
they've been divorced for years but he has never remarried and has no plans too.. she says she's in love with a widowed brother but before they go any further she wants to be scriptually free.
she called my dad and asked him if he would help her out and he laughed and hung up the phone.
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Mulan, you're a real sweetie - a much nicer person than I am. Am I going to make him pay for what he did forever? I'm going to give it my best shot!
LOL! Don't waste to much time on him. Shamus is right let them reap what they sew. Just sit back and enjoy your life and watch them from a distance make a mess out of theirs.
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My dub mom wants to remarry
by unbeliever inbefore she can though she needs my dad to admit to adultary.
they've been divorced for years but he has never remarried and has no plans too.. she says she's in love with a widowed brother but before they go any further she wants to be scriptually free.
she called my dad and asked him if he would help her out and he laughed and hung up the phone.
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WG,
I remeber reading your revenge thread. My heart broke for you. I hope you are doing better. You owe your ex NOTHING!
Jim,
I suspect there was someone listening on the other end when mom called dad up. I wonder what this person thought when he busted out laughing and hung up on her. lol
Nathan,
If she offers this idea to the elders and it is rejected, maybe she will see what a bunch of morons they are.
She told them that he has been in other relationships and even met his now ex GF at my brothers wedding. They said it was not enough since my dad has never admitted to adultary. Only a moron would think that my dad has been celibate since the divorce. W/o their approval she will not marry this guy. I hate to say what that makes her......
Dad did reply to the pitiful e-mails she sent him and he asked her if she would sign a letter renouncing shunning and apologise to my sister for treating her like the plague for the last 10+ years. He also wants her to apologise in writing to all of us for embarrassing us at my brothers wedding last year. If she does that he says she might find him to be more cooperative in other areas. Let the games being.
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My dub mom wants to remarry
by unbeliever inbefore she can though she needs my dad to admit to adultary.
they've been divorced for years but he has never remarried and has no plans too.. she says she's in love with a widowed brother but before they go any further she wants to be scriptually free.
she called my dad and asked him if he would help her out and he laughed and hung up the phone.
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Blondie,
A couple of years ago mom asked dad if he would sign a paper admitting to adultary or verbally admit it in front of 2 witnesses. He of course refused. Is this standard?
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My dub mom wants to remarry
by unbeliever inbefore she can though she needs my dad to admit to adultary.
they've been divorced for years but he has never remarried and has no plans too.. she says she's in love with a widowed brother but before they go any further she wants to be scriptually free.
she called my dad and asked him if he would help her out and he laughed and hung up the phone.
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Your mom seems to lack ethics, so why doesn't she and another JW just lie and say they saw your father stay overnight with someone?
That's what I was thinking. I've never known my mom to lie about anything. Heartless and cruel yes but I don't see her lying. I have told her that witnesses practice theocratic warfare but it went in one ear and out the other.