Posts by Bugbear

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This is the only site that is totally democratic,in where all (who wants) could express their feelings or knowledge without fearing beeing shunned och disf. Its a breathing hole for all those who never hear serious questions discussed at the KH. Here they can find support for their doubts, and facts for what they believe. In fact what the WTBS do with their belivers is very much similar to what all previous political ideas did to ther inhabitants. The communist, faschist and religious ideas always tries to silent their critics with hard methods. It is also curruption preventer. Leaders dont like their followers to know what they actually are doing.

Thanks for this site..

Bugbear

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Parallell scriptures does anyone know how many?

by Bugbear in

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Thank you for all your help. I have been wundering how all these parallells come to be. One exponation from a Bible critical University I have read is that all hebrew scriptures originaly was not written down. Yhey were sagas litterary learned by hart. A number of men/boys were taken out to learn some texts by hart and remember it to be read on the ceremon in the synagoug. Some times goes, and those poeple who actually could write some hebrew, was taken out to write those "Learned by hearth" sagas. Of course they wrote dawn listen to the people who know their storyies by hart - on scrolls not codex. And of course it is far more difficoult to see similarities between texts in a scroll then in a codex. Year by year these by hart learnet masses of texts were written down and nobady noticed that the already hade copies of copies of copies.... When Athanastasious (a greek Bishop) prescribed all these texts as "Canon" He didn´t know either. In fact some Jewish sects and some Islamic congreation still use the consept of learning by hart.

These are the reasons why the bible cannot be "Gods wholly word". The bible is still one of the most intressting litterature we have more then 2000 years old but it is nothing in it that could face common scientific facts. The same goes with the Choran.

Bugbear

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Parallell scriptures does anyone know how many?

by Bugbear in

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I have noticed that a number om Biblical books are quite similar to each others. For instance the books of Kings and Samuels and Chronical do contain exact the same phrases in many chapters. In some cases just a few names are different and switched to another. i have understood that these chapters are called the "parallells". Is there anyone who knew which chapters are equal? Is there anyone who made a computer run to se which chapters are only copies of the other. 40 years ago I remember that the Aid book tried to answer tha question with that the writers wieved it from diffrents standpoints. As an academic I must say that if you are to write un accademical essay, this "coping" will automatically disqualifing you from an excim. Please anyone there who could help me? Bugbear

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Parallell scriptures does anyone know how many?

by Bugbear in

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Improving Critical Thinking Skills

by GloomySunday in

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i'm out of the jw religion, but still have trouble thinking critically.

when i was in, i had no idea what a logical fallacy was, i used all sorts of false arguments, yes, even "if man evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?".

i would fall for just about everything.

Bugbear

If you want to study the subject on a higher level (University) you could start with book from the UK. The book is written by Richard Feldman and named: Reason and Argument , publisher is Prentice Hall 1998. >This book is very expensive, but if you are eager to find Reason and Argument, I think it is a good start to become a Philosofer. Bugbear

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The Bible and it's promise of Heaven and various other things

by confusedandalone in

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now in no way am i trying to discredit anyones beliefs or make fun, but once you get to heaven what is the plan once you get there.. of course, we always overlay extremely physical things upon the experience of heaven... milk and honey... ruiling over the earth etc... truthful the whole idea sounds so boring / mundane /monotonous.

spending all of eternity serving god by carry messages here and there?.

watching humans... i guess spending time with family that are also there and reminiscing.

Bugbear

For thousands and thosands of years humans have had the Idea of a god. No other explanation of life were at hands.Muslims pray (if they are not secularized) 5 times (or8?) a day. Chatolics pray every day in their churches. Pentacoast people pray in tounges. Many africans pray to a stone or some figure they believe is a God. Pharaones had the idea that they should unite withtheir ancestors. Socrates belived he should unite with the heavenly gods. It seams to me that the idea of a god, was un evolutionary necessaryidea to make humans sustain in live and to keep the next generation with some hope. Not one of all these prayers can ve.s.s.frify that one singleprayer have been heard by god.

300 hundred years ago some clever men and women, discoverd the absolute absence of a god. Many of them became deist. (God is absent)some of them become Pietists (god is whitin my heard and I have a personal feeling that I can speak to god with my heart) Today we know that god is not necessary for life. And less and less people feel the need of praying. Why continue to pray to someone who hasn´t heard you for at least 6000 years. This despite from which religion the prayers come. Humans are stucked up with ideas they have learned from their fathers, mothers, teachers, mullahs, preast. And they are stucked up with what they WANT to belive. Look at JW:s. They still believe in that there are some truth in what the GB says. Some people also believe in what the Bible says. I feel pity for all humans.

Bugbear

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How would YOU explain cognitive disonance to a Jehovahs Witness on your doorstep

by smiddy in

seriously , in plain simple language that the most thick headed jw would understand.. and what examples would you use.. smiddy.

Bugbear

Mum in Tunisia:

Youy are quite raight. Humans believe wath the want to belive. Their understanding of life makes them a sort of a comfort I sometimes think that it is better for them to stand fast and keep on believing what the they belive. Do we have an alternative? I am an atheist very confirmed in my beliving. But my alternative is death. Can all humans take that?

Bugbear

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How would YOU explain cognitive disonance to a Jehovahs Witness on your doorstep

by smiddy in

seriously , in plain simple language that the most thick headed jw would understand.. and what examples would you use.. smiddy.

Bugbear

JW:s (some of them) say they believe in the Bible. The Bible contains a lot of crap of misinformation, one if the most serious one in the time schedule.

If only 8 persons survived the flood 4.300 years ago, how come that the Egyptians could build the enormous pyramids and other buildings, only one 100 years after the flood? (The old Kingdom of Egypt is securely dated in every way to that period).(In fact the Sumerer kingdom is even older and secure with handwritings f.ex. The Gilgamesh eposes, which tells another story of the flood.) History facts found in later days have convinced scholars that the Bible could only be red in a literary way. What knowledge have the GB that is superior the knowledge of the united university all over the world?

Bugbear

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Foreign language groups

by dissonance_resolved in

foreign language groups are the fastest growing groups of jws in the western world.

the best and brightest jws are drawn to them for the privileges, the challenge, the feeling of being special.

but in my experience, being in one of these groups has a side effect.

Bugbear

In the northern part of Europe, almost every active publisher , are trying to “hang on” to some publisher who knows something of another language. Everyone knows the native people are if not negative, but in fact hostile to JW:s. Therefore you must find a foreigner or fugitive from some remote country, if you at least want say a few words. Life is not easy for those who is still carry on their preaching

Bugbear

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7/15 WT- Insane, Far Fetched, Narcissistic "New Light " about the FDS

by flipper in

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i know this article has been discussed, re-hashed upside down in past threads.

but there were at least 2 points i discovered in here that i felt were pertinent and important to bring out concerning the total control and narcissistic tendencies that these wt leaders possess on the governing body, i.e.

alleged " faithful slave " .

Bugbear

I feel sorry for the GB. They believe, that they and only they are the true interpreters of the wholly word the Bible. This takes them into a trap, from which they never can back. They can´t deny what is written in this book. Everything of what is said about slavery, homosexuality, women, blood, and the Old testaments sacrifying of animals and the cruelty of this god – still stands there. Theologies have had problem with this book in or about 1700 hundreds of years. Trying to explain how a merciful and loving caring god could kill the worlds entire population except for 8 people, 4300 years ago. And trying to explain why he will kill the rest of 8 billion people in Armageddon, except for his true believers.

This book “the Bible” is nothing but a mirror of an ancient time, with totally different values and understanding. You could read it as a time document, a very interesting such, but you must understand that in this ancient time people had not the same understanding of human values, and did not understand “the creation” in the same way as modern research has forced us to do.

Hanging on to the books values will continuously, take the GB to more and more problem. Trying to explain all the odd things from the book with “new Light” will reduce their dignity and credability, till the whole society collapse.

BUGBEAR