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  Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS!!

  by JT in

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  yes, i too have wondered how an assembly that is held in a fully paid for assembly hall, with no food service, could possibly have $10,000 in expenses.

  i suppose the bethel speakers have transportation expenses - maybe $1000 or so.

  as for rent on the assembly hall, well you have already paid for it once, why pay again?

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  Bugbear

  The branch office in Sweden its for sale. Estimated sales value US$ = 6,5 mill. Here is a link to the sales broschyre

  http://t.co/LERbc4m9Ai

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  Higher Education...in the news. Pew research

  by ldrnomo in

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  http://www.npr.org/2014/02/11/275297408/going-to-college-may-cost-you-but-so-will-skipping-it.

  use this the next time a jw tells you there is little advantage to going to college..

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  Bugbear

  In Scandinavia, going to college does not cost you anything at all, exept for the loss of eventual salary, and the cost of living.

  Still the Soc. says it is not worth spending 2-3 years in college, becouse the end is so near. And has been for more then a 100 years.

  How can you possibly explain this fear of knowledge?

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  No Satan

  by jgnat in

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  that was one of the first of the prepackaged beliefs from my church that i let fall.. why?.

  because i'd stared evil in the face and lived to tell about it.

  i know it's textures, it's dark places, the feel, smell, perversion, degradation, corruption of it.

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  Apognopos

  Yep, when I was younger and just working this out for myself, I tried explaining it to a JW, in similar terms, but they got upset and asked me to stop talking. That kind of strong emotional reaction is very telling.

  Ist it a pity that a majority of authors and thinkers, still are trying to exlain the devil or satan as un person or fallen angel in litarary manor.

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  Thank God for the Greeks, where would mankind be without those Pioneers.

  by jam in

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  the greeks developed philosopy as a way of understanding the.

  world around them, without resorting to religion, myth or.

  magic.

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  Jam and Syme!

  I totally agree with you. Syme, you must have studied the same subjecs as I have. Your knowledge is taken right out of the schoolbook. Think if we could make more JW,s reading this information. They would be much more happy and confident in what they actually know.

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  Do religous people have a higher / lesser I.Q.than non religous people ? Or vice-versa. Or is it irrelevant..

  by smiddy in

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  maybe a bit of background information here to see where i am going with this thread.i only had a basic education , leaving school as a 14 year old.

  though being grouded in the three r`s reading, righting, and rithmatic.my first job lasted over 12years , had a few interesting jobs in the intervening years , and my last job lasted 28 years.

  retiring at the age of 68 years.i consider myself fortunate to have had a good work ethic.now getting back to my topic , i was converted as a 20 year old , and as i said with only a basic education .

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  The question is quite tricky to answer. Of course there are quite smart JW or other sorts of religious persons with an IQ above the average. They often have very complex reasons for believing or (acting as believers).

  There are a numerous investigations made by sociologist and other researchers, on the subject, many of these essays can be questioned. But in Scandinavia a large group of conscientious objectors, (mostly men), had to make a IQ test, before released from military service.

  They scored 5 to 10 points lower than a control group.

  Richard Dawkins claims in his well known book, “The illusion of God”, that almost 98% of the nobel prize winners were atheists.

  In the congs. I have been, as an elder, sometimes I have found that a large numbers of those I was ordered to take care of in the theocratic school, had great difficulties in just reading. They could not understand what they red.

  Of course dumb people are easier to control, from the society’s point of view. They are just told what they should believe, and has no capacities to check out the actual truth in the premises.

  So Yes, I think there are more stupid people amongst JW,s , but this is of course just a personal observation, not a scientific essay.

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  No Satan

  by jgnat in

  1. watchtower
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  that was one of the first of the prepackaged beliefs from my church that i let fall.. why?.

  because i'd stared evil in the face and lived to tell about it.

  i know it's textures, it's dark places, the feel, smell, perversion, degradation, corruption of it.

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  Looking into various religious scriptures trying to proof the existance of satan, its like chasing shadows. when you find them, they disappear. It is much better to look at the actual world, and draw your conclusions from what you see.

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  No Satan

  by jgnat in

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  that was one of the first of the prepackaged beliefs from my church that i let fall.. why?.

  because i'd stared evil in the face and lived to tell about it.

  i know it's textures, it's dark places, the feel, smell, perversion, degradation, corruption of it.

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  Is the devils origin a mystery? In all times and all different religious movements, the very presents of evilness have been obvious. Humans kill humans. War crimes appear every year. We eat almost everything we can lay our hands of. We steal each other’s food, wives and children. All of human kind (mostly men) is very anxious to be on the top of the food chain. Many of these religious movements call it Satanic or the devils business.

  But is this not what any other creature does? My cat, do not bother to kill a rat, if he can. My dog steals my sausages if he can get away with it, whiteout me knowing. Even my hens and roosters are picking on each other, if they think they are stronger than the other.

  Some recent science research on chimpanzees and gorillas in a sociological study shows very clearly their behavior (in a sociological manor), is very similar to the Homo sapiens, sapiens.

  I say that Satan or evilness is in our head. We all (including myself), first of all use our reptile brain.

  It is all about to survive. You hit first and you survive. If not you will become the food for someone else.

  Evilness, or Satanic behavior, is just a rest product of our evolution history. If we can perceive that it is possibly for us to develop our minds and correct it to a more “human” behavior.

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  Free Will - What a Joke !

  by cookiemaster in

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  everytime i hear jw's talking about free will, i either feel the urge to burst in laughter or feel sick.

  each publication keeps talking about how wonderful jokehova is for giving us free will.

  the only small thing is that he'll kill you if you don't do exactly what he says.

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  Whaouoo billythekid46, you must have copied all that from some student literature in the subject of History and Science. I like that.

  But the problem still has a more Philosophical perspective.

  The JW:s wait, The jewish waits, the Chatolic waits, the Muslims wait, The Pentacosts wait, The Lutherans wait………..

  As far as I know more ten 7 billion of the human race wait, for their deliverer their savior. They wait for somebody to release them from their present situation. They hope that a god or goddess, angels, or whatever will take them away to a better place!

  How good can it be to be waiting in the dentists waiting room when there is not dentist showing up?

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  If You Got a Call or Visit From The Elders How Would You Deal With Them?

  by minimus in

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  just curious..

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  Since I faded out 10 years ago, I have had in or about 3-4 visits from the elders and even CO:s.

  During my fading “out time”, I used the time to take some academicals examines in the subject, History, History of Ideas and science and archeology. When the elders and the CO:s came the last time, I offered to study with “THEM”, if they only could spear 3-4 hours a week. I promised them to take them to lectures and seminars at our close University. I told them that they should be much more comfortable if they just understood some facts from modern science.

  Of course they answered they didn’t had the time and as this was the end of times, and it would be much more appropriate to use this hours in preaching. And they went away very quickly from my home and have not in 2-3 years been seeing. I wonder if I should pay a visit to them, offering some of my literature…….?

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  Who is more likely to exist, St. Claus or Jehovah

  by Bugbear in

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  this is a question that strokes my mind an hour ago.. i must admit, yes, that i have actually seen st. claus.

  i remember when i was a boy, every year, a red dressed man, with a big white beard came to our house.

  i was scared to death, but he was very nice and brought me a lot of presents, of which i still have some in my possession.

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  This is a question that strokes my mind an hour ago.

  I must admit, yes, that I have actually seen St. Claus. I remember when I was a boy, every year, a red dressed man, with a big white beard came to our house. I was scared to death, but he was very nice and brought me a lot of presents, of which I still have some in my possession.

  And yes I know that there are several people that charter flight from everywhere in the world to travel to the north of Scandinavia, just to see St. Claus. And Yes there are millions of girls and boys all over the world, writing wishing list, that actually are fulfilled by St.Claus. And beside the guy, looks like he is very nice, giving presents to all, demanding nothing back, but that you are nice and honest…!

  On the other hand. This Jehovah, I must say he looks very absent. I have (with my family) prayed to him more than 30 years. No answer, line is death, not a whispering, not a present, not a sign … nothing.

  And when you read about him (in the Bible) you´ll find a man that obviously drown his children, abandon them, hit them, accuse them of being sinners, force them to believe in him, or….

  To me this problem is solved, I prefer to believe in St.Claus

  Bugbear