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  The True Nature of Shunning

  by done4good in

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  although i have been out for 8+ years, my recent experiences with this have taught me quite a bit.

  i believe most here would claim this is what mind controlled people do when they are in contact with a known "former" believer, so i think some deeper understnding of what is really going on is in order.. i always asked why is the "mind control" so effective and how do the organizations that intiate it, learn how to?

  i never really could find a satisfactory answer.

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  Thanks D4G. Your comment´s has made me understand things better. Your say:

  The bottom line is, they cannot help it. Unless they attempt to understand the psychology involved, (which they will not do while still a believer), the response will be the same every time. Few XJWs understand this, a believing JW has little to no chance, thus no chance to correct the behavior.

  But how about psychos? Obviously there are a lot of Psychos, in the high ranks of JW:s. There are some studies showing that people like Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin,Pol Pot, Mussolini and other medieval Kings in Europe suffered from the disease, named psychos.

  How can we make our friends “still in”, understand that they are ruled by sick people, or just unintelligent? I have a struggle with my wife to make her understand the “evil” of this org. but all in vain. If I try to give her objective facts, she doesn´t even listen to me. She run out the door and don´t come back for hours.

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  Is it common for Jehovah's Witnesses to turn to alcohol when they realize the Watchtower is a scam

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  2. beliefs

  because they don't know what to do and they want to numb the pain .

  especially for bornins..

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  Remember the so called "judge" Rutherford

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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  Emeth

  Didn´t the first christians meet in private homes! Or they used wathever they could find to get a roof over their heads.

  I´d like to qoute TTATTelder: Its totally a franchise/rental-landlord hybrid business model being rolled out progressively.

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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  Emeth

  Please take your blinfola off...

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  How many members of our forum are there, and where are most from?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. experiences

  i would love to know where most of our fellow forum members are from.... is there a way to compile a quick list?.

  for example, i would love to know how many live near me......

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  Scandinavia

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  The Good News of The Kingdom - Gods Plan for Salvation through the Ransom (Help Needed)

  by objectivetruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  when i first began studying in order to "make the truth my own", there were a set of scriptures that perplexed me and motivated me to dig deeper.. the scriptures are regarding the resurrection of the inhabitants of sodom & gomorrah.. see jesus words here - matthew 10:15 - "truly i say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of sodom and gomorrah on judgment day than for that city.

  " (ezekiel 16:48 / matthew 11:23 / matthew 11:24 / luke 10:12 ).

  any time that i brought these scriptures up to jw friends and family they would reply like this "jesus was speaking in hyperbole.. that is why he said it would be more endurable".. i would clarify and show them that it says "will be".

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  Objectivetruth:

  I am sorry to say you have been captured in a mind trap loop. And can´t get out!

  You say quote:

  I have not personally fully developed my belief on The Ransom & Salvation.. While i do have a fair understanding of the principles of it, I can't say that I understand it perfectly.

  And fact is that you never will.

  Think for you yourselves. use your own intelligence!.

  Ransom? How can an eternal almighty god have to pay a “ransom” to one of his creature (satan)? This by letting his own first borne son sacrificing his life?

  Nothing of this makes sense. It is only old antique philosophical idea. No father would ever let other kill his own son as a sacrifice for un imperfect humanity..

  Start to think by yourselves, do not let WTBCT literature influence you, nor the Bible

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  What is the main "idea" of the bible?

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as jws we were often told what the theme of the bible is, we were taught that it was the promised seed.. i was recently asked the question.... what is the main "idea" of the bible?.

  for me the whole purpose of the bible is about control.

  it features a god that punishes and rewards.

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  Phizzy!

  You say quote: It is interesting to study the books in this way, we have very little else that has survived from most of the times that the books were written in.

  I don’t agree with that. Although the library in Alexandria has been burnt a couple of times (in war), we still have a large amount of papyrus scriptures from the old Greeks, and much above that newly found clayplates/cyliders scrolls, that are much much older than our present bible transcriptions. So for instance we can read Assurbanibals Library, in ORIGINAL – not transcriptions. And translated transcriptions of transcriptions a.s.f.

  The thing is that bible textures has been sorted and selected, translated, by many evil men (Athanastasius for instance), The clay plates are still intact and in original. We can translate them and order them in a timeframe, that is far more old then the Bible.

  But the texts on these clay plates, its very similar to the thoughts you will find in the Bible. You will find stories about the great kings that reined in that or that time, which good he preferred to warship, the flood that god punished us with.

  So the obvious conclusions for those who have been interested in the Bible is that the Bible is not more wholly then for instance Homeros the Illiade and Odysse, or Assurbanibals Library.

  It is just more a coincidence that just these letters where taken very serious and keep by antique old mind trapped men as “the word of god”. This is also why the bible contains so many contradictions. Take a look att evilbible.com for instance

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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness success story

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this was just posted to facebook.

  https://www.facebook.com/groups/xjwrg3/10152073176825835/?comment_id=10152073536380835&notif_t=group_comment_reply.

  by christina jones.

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  Bugbear

  Thank you for your fantastic story. I love it and will be reading it over and over again. It appears that a strong and intelligent mind can master

  superstiotion and realese people from mind traps.

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  Two Roads... and the one I took made all the difference

  by adjusted knowledge in

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  2. friends

  introduction to the faith.

  ive been a lurker for many years now, and recently created an account to post comments.

  someone suggested i should introduce myself and tell my story.

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  Adjusted

  Welcome to the forum. Your story is similar to thousends of people here.

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  GB And Change: Lessons From Soviet History

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read an interesting book - "spymaster" by tennent bagley in which he offers a biography of a senior consultant to the kgb, based on long interviews with a man who was once his enemy (sergey kundrashev).

  i believe the book proves some powerful insights into the workings of secretive totalitarian cults.. there are many parallels between the two organizations: they were both born out of 1914 events, they addressed each other as comrade/brother, they encouraged youth to become "pioneers/red pioneers", they were started as very individualistic (revolutionaries) -were then taken over and structured by an amoral thug-dictator (stalin/rutherford) , worshipped the "party/organization", emphasized collective thought over the individual, and ended up ruled by an elderly politboro/governing body - who were forced to contend with disruptive change.. .

  but here's where the similarities get interesting:.

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  Metadron

  Very interesting thoughts. The parallels are obvious. First Idealism, then Power, greed, corruption, …

  The pattern is valid almost everywhere. Very few of the idealistic sort, comes into power, they are to nice and weak. But those who can, often play with un hidden agenda. And they are smart enough, to fool everyone in their neighborhood. You have discovered one of the tricky thing being a human..

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