Posts by Bugbear

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How long have you been an online "apostate?"

by Faithful Witness in

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i really do not like that word (apostate), as used to represent someone who decided to remove themselves, or was removed from the influence of the watchtower... but i am curious.. how long have websites like these been in existence?

when did this movement begin?.

personally, how long did it take for you to dare exploring information outside the watchtower publications, about jehovah's witnesses (especially online)?.

Bugbear

I have been a part of this community for over one year. In my case I started to doubt some of the teachings from WTBS, as early as 30 years ago, but kept quiet. 15 years ago I resigned as an elder but attended meeting out of loyalty to my family. Of course the “friends” was worried over my behavior and I got a personal visit from the CO. We had been god friends for more than 30 years. And of course this visit was quite difficult for him as well. Resigning as an elder made it possibly for me to take up my university studies again, and after 3 years study I was quite sure that I had right in my doubts. I therefore expressed all I know about ancient history, the bibles reliability (and mistakes) and I also pointed out the absolute absurdness in the moral Philosophy that goes along with the Bible.

The CO responded,; this you must have heard on the internet?..

In fact, I had not seen anything on the internet about JWfacts or other sites like this. I was totally unaware of their existence. So I said to my old friend all these facts you can find here in my personal library (old books), and if you want we could visit together the old library in our university to check all the figures and facts that are present there. Of course he refused (I haven’t seen him since then).

But what he said, you must have found all this on the internet, made me curious. And I started to google on the subject JW. It must be over 1000 of “friends” that wants to share theirs experience..

Bugbear

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Can a marriage between a catholic and a jw work?

by roberto avon in

this topic was posted yesterday on an italian fb page.

i replied that my personal experience was very positive.

of course i have to admit that my.

Bugbear

Being married to a hardcore JW:, sister and that for 40 years, and myself being out (formerly elder), more than 15 years, I must admit that life is like walking on a long narrow string. I steadily have to watch my tongue, not to say anything, that could make her upset. Just a few questions about the financial situation, and how effective her preaching activities is, can make her scream and rush out of the door. I do like her very much and I certainly don’t want a divorce. I rather feel sorry for her (and other friends), that cannot see through this gigantic bluff. But sometimes, when it is very obvious, I ask her questions about why that or why so. I hope this will wake her up slowly and not crushing her life.

Fortunately I have managed to keep all our children out of it, so she is most likely being very lonesome, in our family, end therefore the shunning of me has been very mild and polite. But when it comes to holidays and birthdays, she becomes very nervous and don´t know which leg to stand on.

I feel pity for her, she is the one suffering not me

Bugbear

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So...Assuming God exists, if he were on trial and you were the prosecutor, how would you present your case?

by androb31 in

feel free to skip the intro down to the actual purpose of the thread lol!!.

i'm a born in, 32 years in and almost 6 out.

i've been out of the jw's since october of 2008. i came out due to a variety of factors, blood, historical roots, false teachings etc... my older sister helped me out back in 2008 and i subsequently helped my brother exit and the 3 of us became "born again" christians.. i've been mostly lurking but occasionally posting on jwn for around 5 years.

Bugbear

Here are a few questions I would like to put on that trial.

Mr. God, are you the creator and the father of all living humans and animals?

Is it true that you abandoned your creation about 6000 thousand years ago and leaved it to your worst enemy?

Is it true that you found the earth so full of sin and evilness that you had to wash away all human and drown several millions of animals, except for 8 people and some 100 of animals, about 4300 years ago?

Did you let your angels kill some 185000 enemy soldiers in one night 3000 thousand yours ago?

Did you send your one borne son to this earth to become killed and resurrected, so that anyone who believed this could be saved?

Did you give Abraham the impression, that he had to kill and sacrifice his son to become in a god standard before you?

Is it your intention to kill all humans who don’t believe in you within short, in Armageddon?

Do you think that a father can be good and loving if he abandon his children, and leave them alone for more then 6000 years? And then when coming back kill, all those who doesn’t think that the father exist?

Bugbear

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Can a marriage between a catholic and a jw work?

by roberto avon in

this topic was posted yesterday on an italian fb page.

i replied that my personal experience was very positive.

of course i have to admit that my.

Bugbear

According to WTBS it is an impossible connection. You have probably read a lot of arguments why this kind of marriage “is not according to scripture”. And in fact many other religions are teaching accordingly.

But the question is how deep is the persons personal believes. And above all does he/she accept all the dogma’s that their religious leaders tell them? One person can be named Christian because he/she is just borne in a Christian country. In fact he consider himself atheistic or deistic (don´t know or just don’t want to take a stand). Some atheist goes to church because they like the music in their church. Some consider themselves JW:s because they meet their friends in the KH, every week, but they would never dream of take a part of the preaching work.

If two persons with what you call “liberal” thinking want to marry I don’t think that whatever the differences are in their “labeled religion” could be a problem. But if one of them turns (by his or hers believes) to a more fundamental believing, and think that he/she must follow the official rules more strictly, then this marriage can start to creak. The weak “believers” will have a tendency to listen to their mate rather than their pastor or elder, pope or clergyman.

Hoping that your spouse belongs to that category.

Bugbear

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What would you say to the world if everyone listened?

by LogCon in

if you had 5 minutes to give the world your personal message and everyone listened, what would you say?.

Bugbear

Use your own brain ant educate it every day

Bugbear

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Is this true, the Pope said an Atheist can get into heaven??

by jam in

jw
friends

well if said that, one thing is for sure he wont remain a atheist.

if he is in heaven..lol.

Bugbear

It is actually quite an uninteresting question for un atheist. An atheist does not believe in a place called heaven nor does he believe in hell. Therefore I wunder who asked the Pope the qeustion? And for what reason? Was it a trap question to snare the pope.....

Bugbear

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That does it ! I'm leaving ! ! !

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

jw
friends

leaving the university with my degree!.

exams are finished and it's just a matter of days before i walk.. i was certainly stressed about doing this.

i'm older than my classmates and armageddon was sooooo close!

Bugbear

Congratulations Billy, but don´t forget us her, now with your new openings!?

Bugbear

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78 Questions for Christians?

by cantleave in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si-_fjutpns.

Bugbear

All these questions, made me leave the org. When ask the "higher ranked" JW:s these questions, they generally tell you that you should not think for yourselves. It is like saying to the all the people in your cong. that absolutely musn´t not look into this room, but there is a pink elephant standing in the corner! Some of us must look at that "elephant" others doesn´t dare, becouse of fearing punishment or shunning.

Bugbear

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

Bugbear

What if a cong. is doing badly? Will they close the KH and let the members travel to a more profitable KH. They can easily sell your KH, to some speculants who would like a large and well placed building, and thus make it even more profitable. They hava already got it for free from you and all your friends, who vouluntarely have contributed with both labor and money.

Bugbear

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OK..Seriously..Has GOD ever answered your prayers????

by DATA-DOG in

look...i am not an atheist.

even so, i have never had one prayer answered my entire life.

the only thing that would even come close was learning ttatt.

Bugbear

Interesting question! But If God answers all these prayers why does he obviously answers all others religions prayer. I mean that there are millions of Muslims that can swore that they have had their prayers answered. That along with Mormons, Catholics, seventh day Methodist and Pentecostal people believers. Is God Schizophrenia? Or maybe it is the human brother or sister him selves or her selves.

Bugbear