Posts by Bugbear

it's been the last 2 years or so that i've really seen the hypocrisy, but the ability to know the shenanigans of the society through the body of elders letters has kind of kept me in there.

i'm to the point now that i can't stand the hatred and bitterness that the body of elders has towards myself and my whole family.

Your sit. Is very similar to mine only That I made my decision 20 years ago. The first 10 years was hell while resigning and fading. I went to every convention and meeting smiling to brothers and sisters discussing “HOW wonderful” this and that meeting should be or was. Actually sitting and listening to all the lies and frogs that jumped out our brother’s mouth was very strenuous. In fact I sometimes measured my blood pressure and it was 190/120. This caused only by the stress factor. All this and the anxiety to be shunned by my family and friends , together with a very “stressing” job, made me having 4 hart strokes. Nearly death I realized that I could not go on so I stropped go in service stopped go to meeting, I even stopped normal “social” relations with the Witnesses, this not to listen to what they thought was that prosperous future that we all should have after HG. Today after many visits from CO,s DO, and elders, they do not any longer consider me been a JW, I AM LIBERATED, I am free…

And the better thing is that none of my children are stucked with the witnesses. Only my wife who will not leave, probably by loyalty to all her friends.(she has been a witness for more than 40 years. In fact the only one that suffers from all this is the only witness left, my wife.

BUGBEAR

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Convention Hotel "list"- Free rooms for JW/WT "dignitaries"?

by Darth Fader The Sequel in

in all my years of being a jw, one of the more annoying aspects to me was each year sitting through the service meeting review part about what was expected (see: demanded) behavior and policies that the rest of us rank and file were ordered to comply with to attend a district convention.

the minutia in this part and the over-reaching set of rules were enough to drive me into a lather of rage at the audacity of these people thinking they could and should control every single aspect of my attendance to this "free" and voluntary convention.

from what clothing i can wear on my trip to and from the convention city, to what clothing i can wear before and after each day of the convention, to what i should be doing after each day instead of eating dinner and enjoying some good times with good friends, to insisting on wearing a ridiculous name badge, to what i should eat for lunch and where i should eat lunch and what is the appropriate container to keep my lunch in, to .................. the list is endless!!!!!!!!

Bugbear

Well, I remember from back in the 70-ties, when I was an elder and had my daily work on a traveling agency, I was asked by the soc. To organize two chartered convention tours to US. They wanted me free and voluntary to charter two aircrafts, hotels and bus transfer for about 200 persons. When calculating these “trips” I thought that it be normal to calc. 80% utilization for the air ticket and also for the bus and hotel rooms. The “soc.” On the destination should organize “special events” on the destination. When presenting my figures for the trip I came up with a sum per person that looked quite fair, and reasonably also for those who weren’t rich. But the CO,s and DO,s at that time “corrected me” and told me to recalculate using normal IATA ticket prize, tourist class. The prize went up to the double, and when presented in the Congs. Many of the “friends” said that I must have made a lot of money, on my work whit the socs. Traveling agency. They were disappointed on ME I was never allowed to explain, why and hove “my figures” was made.

BUGBEAR

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Hello All

by Jeremiah1958 in

hi to everyone, my name is jerry, i am 56 and i live in tralee, kerry ireland.

i will not bore you with the all too familiar details, suffice it to say i was a prime candidate for indoctrination/ brainwashing.

the surprising aspect is that my wife, a staunch catholic started a study soon after i did.

Bugbear

Welcome Jeremiah!

My situation was similar to you, but I have moved a bit further, all of my family is out now, except my wife to whom I have been married in 40 years. She doesn´t want to listen to my apostases junk still. But I can see in her eyes that she knows that I am right.

Bugbear

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How long have you known TTATT and continued to participate?

by LostGeneration in

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i continue to be stunned by posters reporting on the convention, lamenting the convention, complaining about going in serve-us and meetings, and yet continuing to participate in these activities.. a simple question.

how long have you done these things, fully knowing it is absolute bullshit?.

i couldn't handle it for more than six months before i basically outed myself.

Bugbear

BU2B

I must say your situation was very like mine, only that mine occured 10-15 years ago. I can tell you All of our family (except my wife) is more happy now when we all left the org.

Formely Elder

Bugbear

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

Bugbear

Booker-t

The questions your coworker asks you, is very relevant. All these questions (unanswered) will probably help a lot of people to “come out” from a world of superstitions thoughts. They will cleanse the world from harmful, dangerous ideas that has caused the world so much pain. The thought that our god is more powerful than yours has driven endless of people into war. (although it’s obviously an Biblical thought).

I myself “came out” after 20 years of struggle with my own conscience. But in my back head, rumbled always questions like why do certain people only live a few days others only some week, then they starve to death.

Did god also create bacteria, viruses, earthquakes, greed, cancer.

How could god kill all humans in a flood except for 8 other people, when he/she was actually the father of them all?

Bugbear

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What's your personality type? Myers-Briggs test

by frankiespeakin in

take this 72 yes/no question test to find out.. http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp.

Bugbear

ENTJ

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How many educated adults are being converted into the Jehovah's Witnesses nowadays?

by EdenOne in

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the other day i was sitting in one of those meetings where the public talk was absolutely mind-dumbing.

by minute 5 i couldn't take it anymore paying further attention to what was being said, so my mind wandered.

i looked around to my own kh and started to notice something.

Bugbear

To my knowledge zero!

But I have heard of people who when they have fallin in love with a hard core JW, of the opposite sex, have forgoten all what they have learned in High scool or in the University, and converted into Jah dubs. Love makes your mind twisted and you cannot think clear. I think that this is one of biggest reason to become JW.

Bugbear

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Could the WT have paid of large loans when it sold NY properties?

by StephaneLaliberte in

it seems that everyone is taking for granted that the sociaty has made 1 billion in profit.

could anyone tell me why it would not be a posibility that the society had a large number of mortgages attached to these properties?

wouldn't that explain the latest monney grab from the congregations?.

Bugbear

Sadelder, you say: They have an aversion to outsiders knowing their business, mortgages require financial statements.

I do agree with you 100%. The thing is that any bank willing to give you a loan, wants i financial statement. That also requires open bookholding. This the WBTS has not been able to provide to any eccept the members / directors of threasure dept. and the GB. Therefore, where the REAL accounts are or where the bills are hided is the biggest secret ever, to reveal. I wouldn´t be suprised if some of the real "high ranked" JW:s, will be contaigion with bad conscience, and jump of the org. Specially if he feels that the others do not have ful faith in him. It must very stressing to know about all the trips to Schweiz, Cayman Island a.s.f and understand that someting is very rotten "ins the state of WTBS"..

Bugbear