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Since when is independent thinking equivalent to disobedience?

by I_love_Jeff in

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the jehovah's witnesses say that adam decided to thinking independently and eat from the forbidden tree thus committing a terrible sin-disobeying.

how is thinking freely equivalent to disobedience?.

"in keeping with the principle of this proverb, adam acted selfishly and his foolish thinking distorted his way.

Bugbear

The hole idea of giving independant thinking (a brain with intelligence) and IQ with un avarage of 100 and then say dont use it, it is as absurd as if I have got a car that could be given to fellow or brother or family member saying:

"Here is the car that you could use for getting you to your job or the hospital or wathever, but you are supposed NOT to use it. So I keep the kees to ensure that no onelse will be hurt for your bad driving."

Isn´t that humerous? Or is it just i game that a person with a mental dissorder like to play.

Bugbear

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Ancient giants and their mythology is the source of all religion?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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i think it's very likely there were ancient giants that thrived in a time in our distant past where earth's conditions were favourable for optimal genetic expression, as was the case with dinosaurs, etc.

there's very good evidence for this.

these giants would have dominated and ruled like gods and would have had their own mythology where they claimed to have descended from gods, such as we read of in the book of genesis with the nephalim.

Bugbear

According to Science (Archeology) as far as I know, they have found no scheletons, from the period before the flood 4300 years ago, that indicates there were existent giants (human)at that time. How come that we have 100.000 parts of scheletons before the flood and not one of those that were really giants. We know that some animals were "BIGGER" but no trace of human beeings been bigger. The oldest of these BIG animals such as the dinosaures and other speciments, disapeared over 300 millions of year before the "flood".

On the other hand experiments has been done to test various thechniqe to explain how the Pyramids were built, the Stonehenge a.s.f. Some archologist are quite sure that they know the techniqe, using a waste amount of slaves and animal power, such as elephants and others.

Bugbear

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Do some x witnesses shock you despite being one?

by Seraphim23 in

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Bugbear

Beeing an Atheist, does not mean that you lack of moral, ethics, or consience. In fact it could be the other way around. If you still believe that a Good should give you a higher etics, higher moral, it depends on what that good tells you. If you listen to JHWH and what he demands you to think, with all slaughter, murder killing of animals, war against enemies .a.s.f.

In my Atheistic world, my conserne, is the suffering of the living creatures. How can I help them? How can I contribute to make the world a better world. Is that a shocking philosofy?

Bugbear

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JWs Most Feared Bible Verse

by JCISGOD98 in

the jehovah witnesses most feared bible verse.

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Bugbear

I have red the Bible several times, both with JW,s and on my own. In fact 20 years ago i was un elder in a JW congregation. But reading the Bible more and more, made me very confused. There was so much violence, killing, human catastrophy, and it all came from a very demanding good. Tha Bible itself contains very much what other scriptures such as the hindu Veda verses, The Gilgamesh Epos and even the Koran.

Everytime you try to induce some "holiness" in any of these scriptures, saying that they are the "word of Good" you are in trouble. The texts themself shows their human background. They are often written by strong leaders that wrote them mainly to "frighten" their people, to obey their interpretations of the texts in order to make the people obeydient taxpyers, worriers a.s.f. If the people do not accept the leaders interpretation, they threth them with hell (catolic) or total destruction in harmageddon...(JW,s) Other punishments are mentioned in other scriptures. It looks like the Kings, the presidents, and other forms of leaders must use some old scriptures to stay in control.

Bugbear

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I kind of envy Christians

by stillin in

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"faith is not a possession of all people.

" that's what the scripture says.

i guess i'm one of those people.

Bugbear

Painted toe nail

"I am more at peace now, than I was when being an active JW",

Youre quite right. Beeing "a beliver" amongs JW:s must be hell. All those absolutely rediq. ideas that the GB has served their belivers makes your life to a tradgedy. Families are broken, friends are shunning you, new rules that you have to obay just just to keep you within. I can see all those conflicts very close to myselft, but I am still unable to release parts of my family from this "spider net" that keeps em trapped

Bugbear

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I kind of envy Christians

by stillin in

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"faith is not a possession of all people.

" that's what the scripture says.

i guess i'm one of those people.

Bugbear

21

I kind of envy Christians

by stillin in

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"faith is not a possession of all people.

" that's what the scripture says.

i guess i'm one of those people.

Bugbear

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I kind of envy Christians

by stillin in

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"faith is not a possession of all people.

" that's what the scripture says.

i guess i'm one of those people.

Bugbear

Stillin!

you quote from the bible " Faith is not a possession of all people." Doesn´t the bible also say faith is a free gift? Why havent all people got that free gift? Why have so many other people different kind of faith? Is faith just a sort of "trusting in a God", that will appear and fix everything soon? There is a few questions that is worth while thinking of. But unfortunately My Good keep silent. I cannot even fell a trace of his existance. Am I dsf from him? If so what kind of a father is that? He places me on the planet earth, and let me experience horrible thing, without even wispering any clue lead to understand what humans are going through. Is it the same "test" that Job got to know?

The questions are numerous, the answers are few

Bugbear

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Ripping a persons faith away, a heavy responsibility?

by Seraphim23 in

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Bugbear

Seraphim 23

Like your comments and subject!? If a person lose their very base for living, you must have something to replace it with, before they are crashing! Therefore never ever argue on a personal level, just argue about thoughts, ideas, from their own conscience. If they cannot see the trouble their ideas has for humanity, about shunning people, about homosexuals, about blood transfusions a.s.f. there is no idea, continuing argument. Remember the little boy in the Anderson saga “The new clothes for the King”. He only told other people what he actually saw. And all the grown adults must agree with him.

Arguments must be based on one’s own thoughts. Something you really can see for yourselves. If the persons have any conscience by his/her own, he/she will gradually change their mind, and sooner or later they understand how wrong a former viewpoint was. I have passed that process during 20 years and I am still not Shure, that my present Atheistic , will be the idea that I will have when I dies.

Bugbear

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After the cult how many reject faith in anything?

by Seraphim23 in

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Bugbear

Here you have another atheistic beliver. For even Atheism is just a´ belive. I was a JW for over 20 years. Even an elder.

during these 20 years I remember concentration in pushing away all "odd" questions that my congr. and GB never spoke about. Then I decided to find out what was real, and what other thinkers already had thought. I signed in for University studies for over 3 years. Subject History of Ideeas and Science, Philosify, and Archoeolog. From my last year in University I was turned in to clean clear atheist, even though one of my professors also was serving as a catholic priest. I often wundred why such an educated men, turn into religion again? His answer was that Religion and science has nothing to do with one another. But just the searching for Good shows that the human brain is dedicated to find security, knowledge, stability and some/any answer that satisfy our hunger for knowledge.

Perhaps you could start with reading Karen Armstrong "The battle for Good". The book goes through many fundamentalistic believs during a 1000 years. (Karen was a catholic nun for over 10 years and is now a professor in Theology at Oxford.) Her ideas can show you very much about how faith does much harm.

Bugbear