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  What makes us Human?

  by donkey in

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  the thoughts in this post are generated from work done by by carl sagan.

  although i am not quoting him the core ideas and logic were his and i am recalling them from memory.. let's start with murder.

  we cannot be convicted for murdering a chimpanzee even though the chimpanzee has a dna matching 99.6% of ours.

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  donkey

  IMO- Life begins at conception .What makes us human is the fact that we have a conscience and the ability to reason ,animals can only act by instinct and cannot determine a right from a wrong course of action to take.

  See the issue?

  If being human means we have a conscience and the ability to reason then we have to accept that a fetus is NOT human. A Fetus (even if it is biologically alive) cannot reason - it cannot think. And since we can only be convicted of murder for murdering a HUMAN we need to define what that means. I cannot be convicted of murder for killing a dot. This is a scientific argument not a religious one - or a legal one if you prefer it that way. Either way religion has no say.

  No one is arguing here when life begins, rather at what point does a fetus become a human....there is a difference.

  Edited by - donkey on 8 December 2002 20:58:58
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  Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

  by MrMoe in

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  jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?

  based upon what?

  jehovah's rules?

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  donkey

  But I sense a great deal of contempt in this forum

  Care to be more specific? Do you mean contempt for believers?
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  What makes us Human?

  by donkey in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the thoughts in this post are generated from work done by by carl sagan.

  although i am not quoting him the core ideas and logic were his and i am recalling them from memory.. let's start with murder.

  we cannot be convicted for murdering a chimpanzee even though the chimpanzee has a dna matching 99.6% of ours.

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  donkey

  The only difference mentally or physically which we are superior to animals is because we are able to "think as humans".

  Should the question be reclassified as "When does a person develop the ability to think?"
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  What makes us Human?

  by donkey in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the thoughts in this post are generated from work done by by carl sagan.

  although i am not quoting him the core ideas and logic were his and i am recalling them from memory.. let's start with murder.

  we cannot be convicted for murdering a chimpanzee even though the chimpanzee has a dna matching 99.6% of ours.

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  donkey

  The thoughts in this post are generated from work done by by Carl Sagan. Although I am not quoting him the core ideas and logic were his and I am recalling them from memory.

  Let's start with murder. We cannot be convicted for murdering a chimpanzee even though the Chimpanzee has a DNA matching 99.6% of ours. No we can only be convicted for murder for killing another Human. So the definition of "what makes us human" is fitting here.

  Everyone of us began from a dot. At the time of conception we were no larger than the period at the end of this sentence. Another fact to note is that everyone of us is made up of other living organisms (yes we are component structures as modern genetic science can corroborate). Is is murder to kill one of the component structures? Since many of the component structures (DNA sub-strands) are found in other living mamals then if we answer yes we would be guilty of muder when we as humans kill memers of the other species. So back to the dot. A chimpanzee is more complex than the conceived egg, more intelligent, has more feelings, more emotions, can live by itself, can feed itself, can communicate, can think for itself. Is it morally wrong to kill the dot but OK to kill the chimpanzee? Does this seem inconsistent?

  At what point do we become humans? This question needs to be answered by answering the question: What makes us human.

  Do not quote me any any scriptures. Let's use logic and facts not myth.

  An ASS is not really trying to make a monkey out of you.
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  Is God's name 72 letters long?

  by Preston in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a friend and i were discussing bible theology the other day and when we were discussing god's name he said something along the lines of god's name being 72 letters long and that the hebrew tetragrammaton was a shortened form of god's name when they were writing the bible.

  i looked on the internet and there were some sites referring to this, but strictly from a jewish cabalistic perspective.

  what i'd like to know if there is a biblical theological perspective on this issue....thanks for any input!

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  donkey

  Preston this claim comes from Aleister Crowley.
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  Is it Love?

  by donkey in

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  simple question: if a schizophrenic falls in love with one of the people he/she is delusional about is it really love?

  more importantly what is the reasoning behind your answer?

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  Since God cannot be proved to be real or to exists then can you love him?

  Simple question. If the answer is NO then what do you call the Love that believers profess?
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  Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

  by MrMoe in

  1. watchtower
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  jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?

  based upon what?

  jehovah's rules?

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  donkey

  Why would an omnipotent god need to become flesh in order to sacrifice himself to himself, so that his creations may escape the wrath of himself?

  Sounds like these people worship a whack-job huh?
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  Where Were You on This Date 22 Years Ago?

  by Robdar in

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  it was 22 years ago tonight that john lennon died, gunned down by an insane fan, mark david chapman.

  i was making brownies and my first husband was watching monday night football.

  he called me to the living room and i heard howard cosell make the announcement.

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  donkey

  These are from John:

  Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first -- rock and roll or Christianity. -- Evening Standard (London, 4 March 1966)

  God is a concept by which we measure our pain.-- God(1970)

  As soon as you're born, they make you feel small...-- Working Class Hero (1970)

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  Imagine there's no heaven; it's easy if you try
  No hell below us, above us only sky
  Imagine all the people living for today ...

  Imagine there's no countries; it isn't hard to do
  Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too
  Imagine all the people living life in peace...
  -- John Lennon, Imagine
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  Is it Love?

  by donkey in

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  simple question: if a schizophrenic falls in love with one of the people he/she is delusional about is it really love?

  more importantly what is the reasoning behind your answer?

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  donkey

  Larc,

  Thanks for responding. As someone interested in in all aspects of evolutional science I try to learn as much as I can from as many sources as I can. One of the newer fields in life science is the forensic psychologists and evolutional psychologists. Do you have any suggested sources for me to read - much appreciated.

  ON PROCESS THEOLOGY
  
  What was it you said today?
  "Don't needle me, I've learned to bleed?"
  
  The prayers. The hymns. The beads. Now this?
  
  Don't you know your confession is like sand
  through the engines of consequence? Television snow?
  Shall I consult the Oxford Book of the Dead?
  The sages of our century? The flood lights?
  Freud, God, Kbler-Ross?
  That betrayer Frost who wrote
  (You underlined this for me, remember?
  the morning they forecast radiation
  and it was like Chernobyl wrestled the hair
  from your skull?)
  'The nearest friends can go with anyone to death comes far too short?'
  
  Freud. God. Kbler-Ross.
  God hiding behind the shipwreck of a diseased ghost.
  God revolve the transcendent skein with a slight whir and whisper --
  faultlessly --
  God morning that summer and the rings of Chernobyl.
  God of the rings and the hymns and the prayers.
  The songs of the dead.
  God of the beads.
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  Is it Love?

  by donkey in

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  simple question: if a schizophrenic falls in love with one of the people he/she is delusional about is it really love?

  more importantly what is the reasoning behind your answer?

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  donkey

  Larc,

  I know you are a professor or some such creature as related to Psychology (no offense intended). Serious question, how do you feel about the Freudian views on god and Religion? Do you concur with them?