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Is that RICHARD Underwood - living on the Wirral?
Keith Johnson - was he the CO briefly until his wife became pregant and he left to support his family (also on the Wirral?) works as a window cleaner ?
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Info req'd - Cong. Charity Law
by KAYTEE inhappy new year to everyone .
is anyone able to help me with this enquiry?.
when was it that the individual congregations became a registered charity in their own right ?
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KAYTEE
On a separate note.....in the UK Disability Access Laws are now in place requiring access for the disabled/less abled to be provided to all public places, shops, theatres etc etc - many small theatres /cinemas have closed due to the cost of installing 'equal' access for the less abled - should not your elders be setting a lead in the community in respewcting the spirit of this legislation?
Hope this helps....keep us posted on your progress
Core
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Info req'd - Cong. Charity Law
by KAYTEE inhappy new year to everyone .
is anyone able to help me with this enquiry?.
when was it that the individual congregations became a registered charity in their own right ?
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Rocky 220
Yes - Tax benefits in UK for charities - congregations register as Charities because their aim is stated as :
THE PRACTICE AND ADVANCEMENT OF CHRISTIANITY FOUNDED ON THE HOLY BIBLE, AS UNDERSTOOD BY THE DENOMINATION OF CHRISTIANS KNOWN AS JEHOVAH;'S WITNESSES, INCLUDING THE PREACHING OF THE GOOD NEWS OF GOD'S KINGDOM BY JESUS CHRIST WITHIN THE CONGREGATION AREA AND THE HOLDING OF MEETINGS.
this is accepted by the Charities Commission so no 'charity' in the sense most people understand it is involved.
It has been stated that much of the WT income in Britain is fromn 'Deeds of Covenant' or 'Charitable Giving' - for every 1 given by a taxpayer the Government adds an amount - around 25% (not got latest figures to hand).
All religions / churches and non-profit organisations with aims that include Education or something which has the general aim of helping the population in some way are allowed to register for Charity status.
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Info req'd - Cong. Charity Law
by KAYTEE inhappy new year to everyone .
is anyone able to help me with this enquiry?.
when was it that the individual congregations became a registered charity in their own right ?
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In the UK yes all congs are charities in their own right, with a model constitution from the Society, this came about because of a tightening in the UK of the powers of the Government Body The Charity Commission, following several frauds on charities which were not regulated/registered. The Commission could, at will, take over the running of charities which were negligent or financially unsound.
If congs had not registered then they would have had problems with any form of fund raising (including collection boxes) and owning property, as the Charity Commission would have probed transactions deeply.
The Society chose not to make the congs part of one charity (the IBSA) as this would expose the branch to clear responsibility for what happrens in congs. It also removed at a stroke some probable legal responsibility the branch had for congs - leaving the local elders (who are all trustees of the charity) responsible for any and all legal actions against the cong/ charity.
Power was not lost the the Society as the Constitution strictly controlled what happens to any funds in the case of cong closing/merging or whatever.
Most elders are blissfully unaware of the legal responsibilities they hold and the consequences for them if any action is taken against the cong.
At about the same time congs were asked to pass Resolutions allowing the Society (the IBSA or new Watch Tower Society of Britain) to use donated funds in any way and any part of the world it wished. The Charities Laws do not allow charities to spend money on anything other than the aims of the specific charity so special provisions (the Resolutions of Approval) were passed to approve expenditure outside the scope (outside the UK) of the Charities Commission - so money donated for the British KH Fund, for example, could be spend in Africa or indeed anywhere.
Registering as individual Charities for every congregation allowed the Society greater, not lesser control over the congs as it is now written into cong Constitutions that the Societys can at will appoint or delete elders etc. Other provisions exist which give the society control of cong property/funds.
The situation is unique to the UK (England and Wales) with different provisions in Scotland, the Isle of Man is not covered by UK Charity Law even though it is administered by the british WT branch.
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Info req'd - Cong. Charity Law
by KAYTEE inhappy new year to everyone .
is anyone able to help me with this enquiry?.
when was it that the individual congregations became a registered charity in their own right ?
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It depends..
Some UK Congregations have been registered charities for many years, but most congregations were 'recommended' to egister and adopt a model constitution provided by the Britain branch.
May 1997 is probably the date your congregationm adopted the new Constitution and became a Registered Charity - you can check at the Charity Commission website
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/default.asp
You will need to search by the Congregation name and you will see something like this:
Main Charity 1065620
Click link for more details LONDON, STRATFORD CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
Old Names LONDON, STRATFORD CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESES Charity Correspondent deleted text out of courtesy by Core
Telephone xxxxxxx Governing Document THE MODEL CONSTITUTION WAS APPROVED ON 17 OCTOBER 1996 AND ADOPTED WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENT BY THE CHARITY ON 29TH MAY, 1997. Objects THE PRACTICE AND ADVANCEMENT OF CHRISTIANITY FOUNDED ON THE HOLY BIBLE, AS UNDERSTOOD BY THE DENOMINATION OF CHRISTIANS KNOWN AS JEHOVAH;'S WITNESSES, INCLUDING THE PREACHING OF THE GOOD NEWS OF GOD'S KINGDOM BY JESUS CHRIST WITHIN THE CONGREGATION AREA AND THE HOLDING OF MEETINGS. Area of Benefit LONDON STRATFORD, FOREST GATE, PLAISTOW, LEYTONSTONE Area of Operation Charity Operates in locations in England and Wales
GREATER LONDON-NEWHAM
GREATER LONDON-WALTHAM FORESTRegistration History 10 Nov 1997 Registered Classification What Religious activities Who Other charities/Voluntary bodies
General public/MankindHow Provides human resource(eg staff/volunteers)
Provides buildings/facilities/open space
Provides services(eg care/counselling)Mailing & Submissions Mailing
CycleFinancial Year Annual Return Accounts
ReceivedStart End Issued Received AR6 01 Apr 1996(estimated) 31 Mar 1997(estimated) 10 Mar 1998 Overdue Overdue AR7 01 Apr 1997 31 Mar 1998 02 Jul 1998 12 Feb 1999 12 Feb 1999 AR8 01 Apr 1998 31 Mar 1999 22 Jul 1999 14 Jan 2000 14 Jan 2000 AR00 01 Apr 1999 31 Mar 2000 12 Oct 2000 17 Feb 2001 17 Feb 2001 AR01 01 Apr 2000 31 Mar 2001 03 Aug 2001 08 Feb 2002 08 Feb 2002 AR02 01 Apr 2001(estimated) 31 Mar 2002(estimated) 08 Jul 2002 Financial History Financial Year Start Financial Year End Gross Income Total Expenditure 01 Apr 1997 31 Mar 1998 12,419 2,837 01 Apr 1998 31 Mar 1999 17,763 2,775 01 Apr 1999 31 Mar 2000 11,134 3,008 01 Apr 2000 31 Mar 2001 21,490 3,662 Hope this helps Core
Edited by - core on 1 January 2003 8:55:36
Edited by - Simon on 1 January 2003 13:3:46
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Which Corporation Owns the Buildings?
by IslandWoman inthere has been info on recent threads that the watchtower is liquidating some assets in brooklyn and elsewhere.
there are a number of corporations used by the watchtower.
does anyone know which of those corporations own the buildings in question and would therefore be involved with the sale of these buildings?
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Lots of other changes have taken place regarding the 'legal' structure of the WT
Originally the NY Corporation was the legal entity which held property and made contracts etc.
The Pennsylvania Corporation is (was) the overall 'spiritual entity' directing the world wide activities and all other corporations (International Bible Students Association etc)
As the membership of all the legal corporations (who vote and get at least some sight of the accounts) is made up of a select group of those appointed by the GB then it does not matter who owns what as the 'members, will do as they are directed.
With the pending lawsuits it is likely that property / cash and other assets have been transferred to several different new corporations, so that any judgements against the WTBTS of Pennsylvania and the WT Society of New York will be pointless as no funds/assets will have been left with them.
I am not an expert on US or USA State Law but think that the Pennsylvania Corporation can only hold title to property in that state (CO once told me this though it may not be correct), which is why (I understand but again may be wrong) a New York Corporation was established originally.
Looking at the accounts for Britain from the Charities Commission returns it is staggering how much cash is swilling around.
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Looking for a BOE letter...
by LFitzwater inwe had an elder visit my husband this weekend and he said that the wts has given the elders new direction on the handling of child molestation but that he could not tell us what it said because it was confidential.
i'm sure someone has posted this and it is probably more bs.
i told my husband they tell the elders it is cofidential because it gives the elders a sense of power knowing they have info that the rank & file don't have.
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I think the information the elder refers to was in two letters read out to elders at the last kingdom Ministry School.
No copies were allowed nor were copies sent to Congregations, the CO had them to read out.
The info was posted on this forum earlier in the year by Caspian
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39478&site=3
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What Did You Hate About The Circuit OV.'s Visit?
by minimus ini think that there a number of things about the circuit overseer's visit that stinks!
one thing that i hated was how all the elders got together to "shepherd" the flock right before the co's visit.....what bothered you about the week long visit??
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.....sitting in the elders mtg Friday evening being told how much more we should all be doing,,,,,,,,,,'go in service EVERY Sunday....." "lead the group Saturday....." "work with the group midweek..."
I used to write a note at the top of my notepad BEFORE the meeting - it read
"S A Y N O T H I N G " as I was often so annoyed at the counsel to do more/more/more but din't neglect your family - you are always on call/dont work overtime but do more, more, more - be see to be taking the lead (the dog lead more like which the CO was pulling)
Hated the whole week - managers come from Head Office to kick the locals into line - LOVE? they could spell it but you could never smell it in the air.
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Millions now living, expect to be DA'd
by cyberguy innew strategy to da/df millions who have left.
i'm wondering if there isn't a new policy of da'ing all those who no longer attend or are inactive "publishers" (find that in the bible!).
i've read a number of threads on this board whereby people are now being hunted-down, nazi-fashion, if when queried, "are you one of jw?
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Publicity is the enemy of the WT so it might be an idea to alert the world press to the 'campaign' to create thousands of 'shunned ones' from among all who were ever JWs
I think that the press would be delighted to take up the story of the Witch Hunt originated from the Grey Lubyianka in Brooklyn..think of the headlines ........
On a different note to this sad story..WHAT do the elders who are applying this directive think of it and themselves? Have they nothing better to do? Dont they feel a tiny bit worried about this? Or have all the feeling elders gone now to be purged in this putsch.
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JW's and stuff
by JoeSomebody init appears as if this is a haven for those who hate the jehovah's witnesses.
if that is too tough of a stance, then this place is a haven for those who hate the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
many are apostates.
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Joe -you wrote:
1975? I was too young to remember 1975, but with talking to my mother and many others who were around back then, people were looking forward to 6000 years of human existance as maybe the end of the system of things. Who would not? Any person who claims to be a Christian looks forward to some sort of trip to heaven/end of the system of things/entering paradise. But, as my mother related, everybody knew that many prophesies had not come to pass".
Sadly I am not too young to remember 1975 - you appear to completely ignore or be unaware of, the tremendous damage inflicted on thousands by the pushing of the 1975 date. At the time from the middle 60s the society did not 'hint' at 1975 they rammed it down our throats as unquestionably correct - you could be disfellowshipped for doubting the dates significance. The membership did not invent 1975 and attach earth shattering significance to it but the GB did, and they had the nerve (many years later in the WT) to walk away and infer the membership had expected too much! If you had the years of experience that many had who lived through that time then you would be able to appreciate the damage this did to the facade of 'inspiration' that the FDS claim.
Ample documentation exists of the role of the FDS in the 1975 disgrace and you can form your own conclusions - for me as one who was there - please do not patronise me and the thousands of others who were burned by the society in this amd many other things.