Terry: We are seldom rigorous in separating magisteria.
Who are "we"?
You might be guilty of this, I rarely am.
Leave me out of your broad, sweeping generalizations.
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THE IMPONDERABLES TOPIC (Enter at your own risk)
by Terry ini suggest taking this slowly .
.. consider the difference between taking a poll about an upcoming election and the actual vote itself on the day of the election.. the information gathered about what the vote will be is provisional.
the vote on the day of the election is actual and official.. it is the one that counts.. now, carefully ask yourself what the specific difference--if any--there is between the poll information and the election result as an identical knowledge of.
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THE IMPONDERABLES TOPIC (Enter at your own risk)
by Terry ini suggest taking this slowly .
.. consider the difference between taking a poll about an upcoming election and the actual vote itself on the day of the election.. the information gathered about what the vote will be is provisional.
the vote on the day of the election is actual and official.. it is the one that counts.. now, carefully ask yourself what the specific difference--if any--there is between the poll information and the election result as an identical knowledge of.
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Rocks, water, air and light all exist and they are not aware of their own existence.
You're mixing scientific knowledge with "quantum woo" theosophy.
Knowledge ONLY exists in the human mind.
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On another note, if something is truly "imponderable" you cannot, by definition, ponder it. You can ever only talk "around it, all the while never ever getting anywhere."
On the other hand, there have been quite a few "ponderous thoughts" exchanged on this thread. Very well, but they are then, again by definition, on subjects which are not "imponderable."
The very thesis of the thread sets you up for at best only two possibilities:
- You will fail at what you set out to do, and
- You can and will only talk about other things
What's the point?
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If you are pondering leaving....
by snare&racket inwiser men have lived and died than those ignorant dictators of brooklyn, for those that are pondering the courage required to cease the so called life as subjects to their whim, consider the words of someone far more inspirational than self appointed men hiding from real life dictating to millions how to live.... .
out of the night that covers me, black as the pit from pole to pole, i thank whatever gods may be for my unconquerable soul.. in the fell clutch of circumstance i have not winced nor cried aloud.
under the bludgeonings of chance my head is bloody, but unbowed.. beyond this place of wrath and tears looms but the horror of the shade, and yet the menace of the years finds and shall find me unafraid.. it matters not how strait the gate, how charged with punishments the scroll, i am the master of my fate, i am the captain of my soul.. .
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The poem is by William Ernest Henley (1849–1903).
Although it is commonly known as Invictus, this is not a title he gave it, but was added by a later editor when included in a compliation of English verse.
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THE IMPONDERABLES TOPIC (Enter at your own risk)
by Terry ini suggest taking this slowly .
.. consider the difference between taking a poll about an upcoming election and the actual vote itself on the day of the election.. the information gathered about what the vote will be is provisional.
the vote on the day of the election is actual and official.. it is the one that counts.. now, carefully ask yourself what the specific difference--if any--there is between the poll information and the election result as an identical knowledge of.
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Science (which is knowledge) measures before it does anything else.
I disagree. Science is initially a way of knowing that begins with observing.
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The Watchtower 3/15/2015 Parables! New Understanding! plus More!
by wifibandit inhttp://imgur.com/a/e6dos.
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The murk gets murkier!
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THE IMPONDERABLES TOPIC (Enter at your own risk)
by Terry ini suggest taking this slowly .
.. consider the difference between taking a poll about an upcoming election and the actual vote itself on the day of the election.. the information gathered about what the vote will be is provisional.
the vote on the day of the election is actual and official.. it is the one that counts.. now, carefully ask yourself what the specific difference--if any--there is between the poll information and the election result as an identical knowledge of.
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You cannot use the mind to define itself!
Why not? All knowledge is constructed by our mind.
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Is it worth it trying to wake up a friend and my parents?
by Mr. Self-Destruct inmy situation right now is trying that how my friend and parents that the jw's are not the true religion.
i've shown numerous examples of flip flopped doctrine, false predicions, the validity of the jesus choosing the bible students in 1919 and more.
but it seems that although the recognize these mistakes they ask me, "aren't you happy the organization is making progress?
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Ummm, mom? Dad?
Did you hit your head?
Seriously, what's wrong with you guys?
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Is it worth it trying to wake up a friend and my parents?
by Mr. Self-Destruct inmy situation right now is trying that how my friend and parents that the jw's are not the true religion.
i've shown numerous examples of flip flopped doctrine, false predicions, the validity of the jesus choosing the bible students in 1919 and more.
but it seems that although the recognize these mistakes they ask me, "aren't you happy the organization is making progress?
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Is it worth it trying to wake up a friend and my parents?
by Mr. Self-Destruct inmy situation right now is trying that how my friend and parents that the jw's are not the true religion.
i've shown numerous examples of flip flopped doctrine, false predicions, the validity of the jesus choosing the bible students in 1919 and more.
but it seems that although the recognize these mistakes they ask me, "aren't you happy the organization is making progress?
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"aren't you happy the organization is making progress?"
Is ranting on about men in tight pants and wearing colored socks really progress?
Is it "progress" to tell women not to wear "spanx" when they exercise? (Let's keep in mind that ol' ToMo the III clearly does NOT know what he is talking about).
And what about this new JW.TV? For decades, yes for DECADES, the WTBTS has said that televangelists are part of Satan's System of Things.
So now that THEY'VE joined the crowd, what are they? Is this progress?
The lunatics are running the asylum.
Let's review: It's a cult!
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Advice Needed...Again
by wallievase incurrent update- the wife and i are separated.
i dont go to the meetings or in service but im not df, or da.
she is not budging.. problem- my wife has made it clear that she doesnt want me back unless i do all the witness stuff, i have even offered to attend meetings but not participate in commenting or go in service and this is not good enough.
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You are not "screwed forever" unless you let yourself be.
Tell her in no uncertain terms, "You are my wife and we are going to be together. You do not get to give me ultimatums in regards to what I will do or what I will believe. If you can't live with me under these conditions, then let's be clear: YOU ARE ENDING OUR MARRIAGE. Not me. Don't play any games, they are for children.
If you can't or won't accept me as I am, then you--yes YOU--are a messed up person."
If YOU separate from me, then I understand that I will be free to pursue whatever course of action(s) that I see fit to live out the rest of my life as I see fit."
I'm not sure where you got all twisted up in your thinking, but conditional acceptance is not love. I want, indeed: I deserve to be loved unconditionally. I will accept no less. If you cannot or will not do that, then I'll find someone who can or I'll live alone, but I will not be manipulated and controlled by someone that doesn't have the faintest clue as to what real love is. Is that clear? Good."
What? You're gonna' tell the elders! Be my guest. If you are more attached to a loony old guy that is fixated with men in tight pants and colored socks than you are to me, then you deserve whatever you get. ... What's for dinner?"
And whatever you do: DO NOT GET ANGRY!
Be calm, be firm, be loving. Your position is one of absolute moral integrity and is therefore non-negotiable.
She's the lunatic in a religious cult. Don't forget that.
