this will be our second christmas since leaving the wts but we will be away in nz with besty's extended family so probably won't bother much with trees and decorations but the santa issue is playing on my mind, especially now podlet no.
1 is at preschool.. do we bring the children up to believe in santa & co with all the magic, mystery and excitement associated with the fairytale or do we tell him right away what the deal is - either route is going to feel very strange.
my gut feeling is to go along with the myth and give them those happy memories of wonder and anticipation - what do you all think?.
Since I was raised as JW, but married a non-believer, I told my young son from the start that Santa is not real, he just represents the idea of charity and giving during the holidays. My son knows we all exchange gifts, no Santa.
Holidays are a weird time, man. Thanksgiving is the easiest for me so far. No guilt whatsoever about celebrating it, thought even as a JW that there was no reason not to be thankful.
- Wing Commander
Cognac,
I am a fan of your posts and everything, really....been reading them from the beginning. But I gotta say, I completely disagree with you and your stance. Yes, people who are sick should have consideration for others. No doubt about it. But on the other hand, it's fall now, and more people are becoming sick...minor colds, whatever.
Why in the hell do you think this guy was going to leave, just because YOU were there, and pregnant? Do you think he thought to himself while getting ready, "Hmm....wonder if there are going to be any pregnant women there tonight?" No, of course he didn't. Sorry, you are the minority as you are pregnant, so if you don't want to expose yourself or your child to airborne illnesses, may I suggest you stay in your house, inside a plastic bubble? Because I tell you, YOU need to look out for you, not expect other people to just fall all over themselves getting out of YOUR way.
If I was that brother, I would have excused myself for having a cold, then I would have told you that if you didn't like it, YOU can get up off your ass and get back home. YOU'RE the pregnant lady, not I.
Sorry, that's how I feel about it. When my wife was pregant during the winter and colds started going around, she stayed at home as much as possible to not be exposed, and stayed away from people as best she could to not get germs. She relied upon herself to keep away from people, not rely upon them to keep away from her.
Sorry this sounds so harsh, but the entire attitude of the minority telling the majority what to do sickens me.
- Wing Commander
i'm looking for any jw's or x-jws near harrisburg, pa i used to know to catch up with and compare notes.
Oh, Me! Me! Me!!
I am from that are. York/Lancaster though, never attended in Harrisburg. Went to the Grantville Assembly Hall, Philly Veteran Stadium District Conventtions (torture) etc.
I am only 29 though, and haven't been active in 10 years.
Small world, ay?
- Wing Commander
what never seemed logical to you??.
anything that seemed confusing to you???
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Hi everyone! Thought I'd pop in with my recolection of the whole "creative days" and dinosaur subject. I am 29 years old, but my parents learned from the "old timers".
I had heard a couple ways of doing this. Much of this came from Fred Franz, and he LOVED to play with numbers. Originally, it was all based upon the 1000 years is but a day to Jehovah God scripture somewhere in the bible. But, Genesis speaks of a "creative day" so Rutherford and Franz speculated that this could be 6,000, 7,000, or even 10,000 years. Yes, I have heard 10,000 year creative day as well.
Now, as for dinosaurs and carbon dating. Carbon dating, is NOT full-proof. Even today, things are being RETESTED and being off as much as 100,000 years!! No bull. This is because we are finding out that carbon is NOT A CONSTANT. There could have been much more, or much less, carbon in the atmosphere in the past, etc. So, carbon dating is not completely full-proof.
As for dinosaurs, here is what I had heard. Dinosaurs roamed the earth BEFORE Adam & Eve were created, and God destroyed them (meteor, Ice Ages, whatever-pick one) so that he could start anew with Paradise. I can almost buy that. But here is what I CAN NOT buy into - I was sometimes told by some JW weirdos that dinosaur bones were deliberately created and placed into the ground by Satan and his demons who thought ahead to modern times, basically the entire fossil record was put into the ground by Satan and his minions in order to throw off those in the future, and to place doubts in the minds of future Christians. No, I am NOT making this crap up! I was actually told that sometimes. I didn't EVER buy that line....ever!!!
And now? Well, it's all pretty vague, isn't it? I mean, why wouldn't God's creative days be a billion years a piece? That would seem to fit better.....last time I checked, I think scientists calculated the earth to be 6.5 billion years old. That works kinda ok, right?
- Wing Commander
i understand that someone once asked why if adam was the first human,where all the different human skin colours come from, so the jw said that adam had 8 different pigmentions in his cells.
I had heard that the reason there were different races and languages was that Jehovah had caused it to be when he sent everyone scrambling from the Tower of Babel. Supposedly, not only did he mess everyone up with different languages, but also gave them the genes that would cause pigmentations, races, etc.
It kind of makes sense from a Biblical standpoint. No scientist takes it seriously, but I figure God can do anything he wants at any time, so I personally believe he could have caused this to happen at this time.
- Wing Commander
thanks to this site, not only am i free of the mental imprisonment, but i am also free of the fear that the society used to keep me and others like me silent.. i am not a witness anymore because the truth is not what we are directred to think it is.
once we allow ourselves to think, it is clear as day that there is no real basis for anyone to take the title of faithful and discreet slave.
there are folders and lists which contain the names of pedophiles who were never turned over to the proper authorities for their crimes.
Oh my, now you've gone and done it. I too will have to out myself. I cannot stand behind my avatar any more.
Here is my name, in all of it's glory.
My name is Dirk. Dirk Diggler. I can keep going, and going, and going.......
LOL!!!!!
a collegue of mine, a mother of 19 year old twins is distressed.
her one son has been going out with an older women (this came to light when the other twin was sick and tired of all the lying going on) the truth is that the older women turns out to be her very good friend, who is now 49 years old.
let's call her madam x.. madam x is a very '"sweet"" woman - i know her, as i used to work with her.
I am 28. My wife is 45. She graduated high school when I was not even 1 year old! We met when I had just turned 21. We have been married 5 years, all of them good.
Speaking from experience I can say that it's not how old you are, it's how young you F**k!
LOL!!!
- Wing Commander
i haven't been here in a while, but it's nice to see so many old faces (posters).
anyway, i am wondering if anyone knows what doctrine exists, if any, on jws marrying non-jws.
my sister, a jw, is getting married to a non-jw in a couple of months.
Well, most JW's will use the scripture stating "not to be unevenly yoked," as a prerequisite and justification for not attending a JW relatives wedding ceremony. However, the completely ignore the fact that Moses married a non-Jewish pagan woman, and I remember him being pretty favorably looked upon by God.
JW's are such assholes. Instead of being able to bend, they are as rigid as can be, as well as unreasonable and argumentative. Nutters, all of them. Can't believe I bought into all of these pharasitical rules for so long.
- Wing Commander
i've been thinking about what its like to be born and raised as a jw and the mistakes that parents make as an almost direct result of this cult.
for one thing, the children are not allowed to think freely, and if they say or do one little thing their parents disapprove of, they are chastised and basically bullied into abandoning that thought or action.
another thing is that no matter what you do, and no matter how good your reputation is among friends, teachers, administrators, etc if you don't want to go to meetings, and don't believe in this faith, they do what they can to make you feel lower then dirt for this and will often resort to verbal abuse, and sometimes violence to force you to believe in them and conform.
I was born and raised in this Cult as well....yep, I said Cult! It's taken me a few years to be able to admit that, but that is what it is....fits all the criteria!
The entire position on women being submissive to men and being second-class citizens is taken WAY overboard by the Org. Jesus didn't treat women like 2nd class citizens, did He? Ah, no!! I can't believe they still print that point of view in this day and age, and that so many still think like this. What dinosaurs! 2008, and women are still treated like property? Disgusting.
Education: I did very well in school, graduated top 10% of my class. I was encouraged to get good grades, but NEVER encouraged to go to college. It was always discouraged or blown off as, "costing too much", "unnecesary", armageddon is around the corner to it will be useless to have a degree, etc. What crap!!! I bucked my parents a little, and attended Penn State for an associates degree. Hey, my High School validictorian was a baptized JW in my congregation, and his mom was sending him to college for an engineering degree, so why couldn't I? Screw them.
I have a good career now, NO THANKS to the JW's looney cult crap! My mom finally woke up in 2000 or so, and highly encouraged my college education. After all, she had a BS as well before becoming a JW. Oh, the irony of her being a JW woman with a BS in nursing, an R.N. She was always kind of looked down upno because of it.
I can't believe we all swallowed this tripe for so long. So much of it is taken to the extreme and is not beneficial, but actually hurtful to us.
- Wing Commander
steve gordon a dark tale.
newly baptized jw steve gordon has just dried off and changed back into his cheap watchtower suit.
he sits down in the hot stadium heat and rubs his smooth, shaven face and closely cropped hair.
Hey Farkel:
Who died and made you King of the X-JWs? If you don't like people's replies to your threads, too f**king bad! Don't post your fairy tales then. I thought maybe it was somehow related to your own story, but if all it was was some lame excuse for you to insult others on here, then f**k off. I just love you people whom act like you're sooooo much smarter than everyone else.
I use old english when I write colour, neighbourhood, flavour, etc.....whop-de-doo!!
Wing Commander
