Posts by WingCommander

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Chapter 37 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

by new boy in

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chapter 37. passing it down line.

how did i rationalized everything i had experienced growing up and what i saw at bethel?

no one wants to believe their whole life is a lie.

WingCommander

See, I don't get this about the food situation. Newboy claims food was scarce, so does Marcus Vaughn. Then you have Morpheus (also a trusted source on here), claiming food was abundant.

So, who do you believe?

I honestly believe it's a bit of both. Allow me to explain. I think it comes down to the job you work, and the table you are assigned. How so?

If you have a labour intensive job, you need more calories to function vs a sedentary job sitting in the Writing Dept or similar. And depending on your table head and where you sit at the table, you could be left with next to nothing to eat!!!!! Lunch (at least at the old NY location) wasn't some sort of cafeteria buffet, though it SHOULD have been!!!!!! Your table head had to get the platter and give it to the waiter and go, "Please Sir, may we have some more???" And then you got some more chicken, maybe a breast, IF you were lucky and at the head of the table, not the foot.

So, if you worked bindery, had a room farthest away, sat at the foot of the table, you were starved to death!!! However, if you worked in the Administrative Office, had a closer room (less walking) and sat at the head of the table, you were juuuuuuust fine!

So the reality is (at the old Bethel anyway, not sure how the new HQ is) it was much like a Nazi Concentration Camp. It's who you knew, your circumstances, and sometimes just a lot of pure luck.

I believe Newboy. I believe _Morpheus, and for damn sure I believe Marcus Vaughn. Marcus being one of the newer ones having been let go within the last 2 years. Also, his experiences totally match other experiences I have heard come out of Bethel to a "T", so it's not "BS" or exaggerations. Bethel is a physical and spiritual prison.

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It's been a GREAT week for me!

by dubstepped in

so as some of you know i have a podcast called this jw life.

i put my story out there in 9 parts, and i've had lots of great experiences so far and met lots of nice people and i've made new internet friends, even some in person.

this last seven days though has been soooooo cool!.

WingCommander

I see the downvote Troll is up and about again. Hey JW troll, why are you even on here? Isn't there enough spiritual food on JW.gag?? Go put the Cart Song on continuous loop until the rest of your brain becomes goo.

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Classic situation at Circuit Assembly Day

by freddo in

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so i've just skived off to the car park half way through our assembly day - what a classic morning.. i'm sat right behind an early-teen kid with some sort of special needs (autistic?

) who's sat with what looks like his late-30's harassed single parent mother.

(or married to an unbelieving mate?

WingCommander

t-t-t- TIMMAAAAY!!!!!!

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Jehovah’s Witnesses and “the Friends”

by minimus in

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i never understood why many jehovah’s witnesses will say “the friends”.

it seems so mormon like..

WingCommander

@LongHairGal:

Well, just look at the names of most of the Governing Body Members that have ever lived. Sounds like some old German WWII troop reunion. Russell, Franz, Knorr, Henschel, Loesch, and the list goes on and on. It's only recently that they've included some British/Australian accents and (gasp!) an actual man of colour! You really have to research the history and period of time that the IBSA (Bible Students, AKA JW's) developed in order to truly understand their terminology, origins, and seemingly unique belief system. Here in Pennsylvania, we actually still have Dawn Bible Students around!! There are also Quaker and Christadelphian Meeting Houses, but they are few and far between, and some even museums due to being so old and historic. Boston also has quite a few, as America's founding fathers were usually Quakers, Christadelphians, Puritans, or Atheists. Most all were slave owners ironically.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses and “the Friends”

by minimus in

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i never understood why many jehovah’s witnesses will say “the friends”.

it seems so mormon like..

WingCommander

By the way, "Order" is a term used in this area (Pennsylvania, Ohio) to describe certain sects. We have Old Order Amish, Old Order Mennonite, etc. They also use the term "Friends". Again, you'd have to be familiar with the multitude of religious movements and their history as it pertains to Pennsylvania.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses and “the Friends”

by minimus in

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i never understood why many jehovah’s witnesses will say “the friends”.

it seems so mormon like..

WingCommander

It's actually quite simple. A lot of these terms come from the area of the cult's inception. You have to understand the religious demographic of the time, in the state of Pennsylvania and New York area. CT Russell was exposed to a multitude of different religions and groups of this area. They all had their impact on him, his not-so-unique belief structure, etc. We have Quakers, Adventists, Calvinists, Christadelphians, and various Masonic Orders and Lodges. ALL of these influenced CT Russell.

Saying "The Friends" is quite common in Quaker and Christadelphian Meeting Houses. And oh gee, "Meeting Houses" sure sounds familiar, huh? JW's attend "Meetings" and listen to "talks", instead of going to Church and hearing sermons? In the early days, CT borrowed a TON of imagery directly from the Masons. Back then, they were waiting for the "New Order", (now New System) to come. New World Order, is completely Masonic, as are "Assembly Halls", etc.

The belief in adult baptism (as opposed to child baptism and confirmation) is Ana-baptist, as are other beliefs stemming from Calvinism. Arianism and end-times BS are purely Adventist Annihilationism.

So you see, many of these terms have filtered down thru the years from the times in which this religious order began. Now, it's a full-blown CULT. Back then, I'd say it was an odd, but uniquely pieced together (from everything else around here) religious Order.

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Just Bumped Into My JW Sister And Brother In Town

by pale.emperor in

so im walking through town today on my lunchbreak and spot the unmistakable walk of my younger brother.

this is the one who left watchtower... well it turns out he's returned to the vomit after stupidly turning up to the 2017 convention and a few elders filling his head with seeing our dead dad in paradise and to "wait on jehovah".. a few meters behind him was my sister.

she spotted me first, then hurried up her step to my brother.

WingCommander

It must have been the wave. They aren't used to that. You gotta mix it up! Next time, no waving. I repeat, no waving! Instead, go for the Devil Horns. If you aren't familiar, see a tutorial about Ronnie James Dio. He will properly show you how to do the "curse" or devil horns. Then you can throw that sign at them next time. Maybe they will feel better? But it's worth a try!

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JW Parents getting... DIVORCED

by raven in

hello everyone!it has been quite some time since i've posted, but a lot has happened.

i am still with my boyfriend (mentioned in my past and very first post!

) life is going well.

WingCommander

1.) You are a grown woman, living outside your parents home with a boyfriend. Why are you complaining about not being on their health insurance? Frankly, that is YOUR problem. At your age, you should NOT be dependent upon mommy and daddy for everything, especially car insurance! So frankly, them cutting the cord on that is WAY over due.

2.) Your mom probably got sick of your stepfather treating her like crap. Always at the Kingdom Hall? Very little affection or sexual intimacy? Sick of his crap? Getting more attention outside of the home, then in? C-ya, loser! Can't ask someone to remain miserable forever.

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The Ever-Changing Song Book

by Cimarrona in

the songs in the old brown song book were way better than these new ones.

had they not changed the songs, i may never have left (halfway joking).

they gave no feeling, no soul (but of course there's no such thing as soul or whatever)!

WingCommander

Brown song book? I actually remember the old Pink song book!!!!

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If WT are cutting back on mags will they also cut back on Bethelites?

by truthseeker in

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i was thinking after hearing about the agm cutbacks to the mags and other website content surely they will end up dismissing more bethelites?

i would have thought in the old days, before the web, an artist or writer at bethel would have been a full time job making content for four 32 page mags a month.

now what are these guys going to do?.

WingCommander

Yeah, hurry up and build the new UK HQ on the Sheeple's dime and time, and then put it right up on the auction block. Rake in that $$$$$$$.

I'm honestly not surprised by all these closing and layoffs. To me, since the new Warwick Cult Compound was completed, and it is so huge, there really is no use for ANY of the branches, anywhere. Every single piece of literature, video, etc can be produced at Warwick and distributed worldwide. Heck, with today's global printing industry, it's probably just cheaper to write the literature, send it to the proper printing facility in that country, and have it printed off for the Congregations and delivered. WT Org is totally streamlined. I foresee a future where the Warwick HQ is THE ONLY facility on the globe. Totally centralized.