Posts by Roddy

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The Watchtower trembles before appostates.

by edmond dantes in

instead of disfellowshipping for appostacy why don't the witlesses just tell the so called apostates, it's ok ,just don't disrupt the meetings.if they did this would there be less hassle all round.

other organisations have different allied sections but the whacktower org.

isn't strong enough to embrace dissent , it stands on very shaky ground as regard doctrine and practice.in fact they don't know the first thing about good practice they need a suggestion box in the kingdumb hall for a start and a few lessons in democracy wouldn't go amiss.all dictatorships are afraid of the voice of the people.

Roddy

Instead of disfellowshipping for appostacy why don't the Witlesses just tell the so called apostates, it's ok ,just don't disrupt the meetings.If they did this would there be less hassle all round. Other organisations have different allied sections but the Whacktower Org. isn't strong enough to embrace dissent , it stands on very shaky ground as regard doctrine and practice.In fact they don't know the first thing about good practice They need a suggestion box in the Kingdumb Hall for a start and a few lessons in democracy wouldn't go amiss.All dictatorships are afraid of the voice of the people.

That's a given that the WTS doesn't tolerate discussion of anything that is even mildly critical of anything it does. The WTS insists it has immunity of anything which it's own rank and file would be disfellowshipped of. It can change its doctrines at will - implying that it was teaching apostacy - but the regular JW can't. He or she has to be in lock-step with the WTS at all times. To answer your question: I doubt it. By placing the person in a disfellowshipped state the person has been marginalized from within the congregation. Although most in the congregation won't know what the person was disfellowshipped for, it is enough. The local mind control police of the WTS - the elders - will have made sure that no one will be exposed to apostacy.

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The Watchtower trembles before appostates.

by edmond dantes in

instead of disfellowshipping for appostacy why don't the witlesses just tell the so called apostates, it's ok ,just don't disrupt the meetings.if they did this would there be less hassle all round.

other organisations have different allied sections but the whacktower org.

isn't strong enough to embrace dissent , it stands on very shaky ground as regard doctrine and practice.in fact they don't know the first thing about good practice they need a suggestion box in the kingdumb hall for a start and a few lessons in democracy wouldn't go amiss.all dictatorships are afraid of the voice of the people.

Roddy

Yea, I remember one time when I was in the troof a catholic guy gave me a catholic book to read and I told him that we are advised not to read that.His reply was "well your faith must be very weak if you are afraid to read that,I would read a Watchtower book and not be afraid of losing my faith." Then I thought he has a very good point; and at that stage of my exit it proved to be another nail in the Whacktower coffin .

That is a splended point! With all the printing they do, the WTS is so afraid that their membership will actually read something else - and start to thinking.

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Jehovah's Witnesses in Israel

by Honesty in

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/969459.html.

accusing the witnesses of targeting society's weaker elements, including new immigrants, the poor and the handicapped, critics blast what they call the group's devious recruitment methods.

"they've mapped out all of israeli society and then target segments that don't get attention elsewhere," said cohen.

Roddy

About 2001 a man who was of Jewish blood but converted to the JW and later became a pioneer for many years was asked to go to Israel on the sly. He was not to tell the Israel goverment why he was there and the WTS intended to use him to preach and to teach the JW doctrine. His parents were so upset they had disowned him for going into the JW religion. I wonder what became of him, we wrote him over there in Jerusalem but never got a reply. I hope he got over there and woke up out of his total brain washing he got here. I hated him leaving North Carolina he was such a good appliance repairman, the best we'd ever known. LOL

Out of curiosity, did he know that you were not a JW anymore? You think that is why he didn't respond?

Anyway, am I missing something as to why I find it strange that the WTS have to resort to subterfuge to engage someone in the preaching work in a democratic nation using his Jewish credentials?

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The JW baptismal vow - need the list of

by Roddy in

please give me the list of jw baptismal vows through the years of the organization as far as you can find out?.

i'd like to see how the baptismal vows changed over the course of time.

feel free to add the possible reason and motive for the change.

Roddy

Please give me the list of JW baptismal vows through the years of the organization as far as you can find out?

I'd like to see how the baptismal vows changed over the course of time. Feel free to add the possible reason and motive for the change. I also would like to see the baptismal vow that includes the pledge of allegiance to the WTS and when that happened. And if this continues as the current baptismal vow.

Thanks in advance!

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To Hire a JW Could Mean ...

by compound complex in

good morning:.

if an old thread regarding dr. brenda upton v. the wtb&ts had not been bumped up, i would never have come across this horrific but spellbinding information.

please consider these opening words:.

Roddy

Hiring a JW also means you've hired a spy who will feel it is his or her divine duty to rat you out for anything. And if he or she is super-theocratic, you might has well turn in your disassociation notice right now and save yourself a lot of time going back and forth in judicial committees. LOL!

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this could make you laugh or be really angry !

by looloo in

i recently bumped into a jw i know that told me that her watch had been pinched at an assembly , she then went on to tell me that a lot of worldly people go to assemblys ,so she should have been more carfull !!!!!!!

this is someone that knows im "worldly" i was gobsmacked when i had recovered from my shock i informed her that i would not dream of stealing something despite being "worldly".

i dont even think she realised how offensive it sounded and she is not usually a judgemental person , so it must be all that self righteous association she has been mixing with lol

Roddy

I recently attended a wedding in which the only JWs present were the bride's grandparents. The reason they attended is that the bride and groom bent over backward to keep the wedding secular so the grandparents could attend.

During the reception, I watched the JWs. They looked frightened and kept glancing around as if they expected some wild, wicked worldly person to physically pounce on them. Although alcohol was served, no one got drunk or obnoxious; everyone present simply had a good time.

After the reception, the JWs' car wouldn't start. The groom and his best man examined the engine, determined what was wrong, drove somewhere to get a new part and installed it. I heard the JW grandmother say to her husband with great surprise and wonder, "They were really nice!"

The long-timers truly believe that the only decent, kind people on this earth are JWs. They have to believe that everyone else is wicked -- they must be, since Jehovah has pronounced a death sentence on them.

Sad.

I think I got that one beat. Unfortunately.

I was driving along and saw a JW stopped on the side of the road. Seemed a middle aged woman all alone and she was wearing her assembly badge. I was surprised that no one stopped to help her as this was one of the main routes leading to the assembly site.

After a couple of minutes it just bothered me and I turned around just to see if anyone stopped for her. No one did.

Turns out she had a flat tire. I replaced it. I made her feel good by saying that I'm a JW but that this wasn't my assembly because when I got to her she was on the verge of tears.

I guess the JWs that were driving by wanted to be first to get the best seats for the drama or didn't want to get their clothes and hands dirty. (sarcastic grin)

But I told her that maybe she was too far from the assembly and maybe no JWs were passing by this particular way. I hoped she bought that little lie.

Now that's sad.

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this could make you laugh or be really angry !

by looloo in

i recently bumped into a jw i know that told me that her watch had been pinched at an assembly , she then went on to tell me that a lot of worldly people go to assemblys ,so she should have been more carfull !!!!!!!

this is someone that knows im "worldly" i was gobsmacked when i had recovered from my shock i informed her that i would not dream of stealing something despite being "worldly".

i dont even think she realised how offensive it sounded and she is not usually a judgemental person , so it must be all that self righteous association she has been mixing with lol

Roddy

i recently bumped into a jw i know that told me that her watch had been pinched at an assembly , she then went on to tell me that a lot of worldly people go to assemblys ,so she should have been more carfull !!!!!!! this is someone that knows im "worldly" i was gobsmacked when i had recovered from my shock i informed her that i would not dream of stealing something despite being "worldly". i dont even think she realised how offensive it sounded and she is not usually a judgemental person , so it must be all that self righteous association she has been mixing with lol

My mom was robbed by a JW's brat kid. The kid put on a baby face and cryingly denied doing it, saying she was mistaken. No witnesses in an assembly full of JWs, so they believed the brat. Now my mom doesn't bring anything she can't carry in her purse and she doesn't leave her purse unattended at a seat anymore. My consolation is that I'm sure the brat is stealing from his own parents and that his parents will pray the price eventually. Because what goes around comes around!

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I think the noose just tightened a bit.

by 5go in

we had an interesting local needs.. first it clearly stated if you are not making all the meetings you will not make it in to the new system period no exceptions.

they twisted the story of the red sea to make an example.

saying you can not disobey once, or else you be left stuck in the bottom of the red sea.. from now on the elders will be making shepherding calls on those that are not attending regularly.. also, it was stated that if you know of any not attending regularly.

Roddy

From now on the elders will be making shepherding calls on those that are not attending regularly.
Also, it was stated that if you know of any not attending regularly. You are to report them to the book study overseer. So that they may receive a shepherding call.

That's going to backfire. And there goes all the talks and denials that the elders are not the policemen of the congregation. And everyone is now a potential informant to the elders. Now you can't really trust anyone.

Oh, yeah. I smell big backfire in the works. And a rise in the usual paranoia level.

Anyone remember when the elders had the unsavory job of being the "bedroom police" to every married couple in the congregation about two decades ago? What a fiasco that was!

(Sorry for the red font. I wanted to change a word but I ended up changing all my words and I can't restore it back. I still don't know the ins and outs of this forum software. LOL!)

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Looking for a website monitor

by Roddy in

can anyone recommend a good website monitor program that will alert me when changes are made?

has to work on microsoft windows xp.

i think i too would like to watch and play "gotcha!

Roddy

Just letting you know that I am still looking into this for you. I am curious too to see if this is not only possible but legal as well.

Thanks, Bite me. I was away for a bit. If you find anything, let me know. Or thanks for trying! I see that a couple here have shared some websites I should check out.

Thanks in advance to all!

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WT Sues 2005; Blames Puerto Rico's Controlled Access Law For Lack Of Growth

by Justitia Themis in

the watchtower brought suit in puerto rico claiming that the controlled access law is the reason their growth rate has stalled.

i lost some formating trying to get it to post, but here are some excerpts:.

watchtower bible and tract society of new york, et al., plaintiffs vs. roberto sanchez ramos, et al., defendants no.

Roddy

Interesting.
The WBTS fights for their first amendment rights of free speech in the preaching work but denies free speech to it's own adherents. That might be an arguement I may use sometime.
They would never alter their evangelizing say to help the community and thereby spreading a Christian method that way. Instead they insist a neighborhood conform to their "rights."

And they shouldn't complain if "apostates" should decide free speech to "preach" in their gated community in Patterson, NY.

What's fair is fair, right?