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  6/15/10 WT - p. 8, par. 12

  by sd-7 in

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  "what else do we learn from the experience of the psalmist?

  he found security and wisdom among god's people.

  he started reasoning clearly and logically when he went to the place where jehovah was worshipped.

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  rocketman

  Zoiks pointed out: "Just think what would become of you..." is fear-mongering at its finest.

  I noticed this statement in the article too, and it's designed to initiate fears or play on already existing fears that jws have and that are constantly pounded into them. They are made to think that they are nothing outside the congregational environment; that they will begin making poor, life-threatening decisions upon leaving. It's as if, as soon, as they walk out that figurative door, they'll become immoral, unethical, and incapable of any success in life.

  When I left, I wondered if my life would go drastically downhill. Fact is, my life is pretty much the same. I didn't start cheating on my wife, cheating on my taxes, or stealing. I didn't start gambling or become a drunk. I just went to work and came home, spent time with my family, watched sports, etc. Same stuff I always did.
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  how long in truth,,,what was the final "straw"

  by peaches in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was in for 30 years.....my ex was an elder...."holy spirit appointed" he tortured me....i was married 33+ years....you know,,,marriage is sacred...you can leave,,,i know,,,,if abuse is intolerable....but that starts a series of events...etc etc etc....i finally left everything...and moved far away.....people actually believe "holy spirit" appoints people,,,my ex would not pray unless there was an audience...you know,,,,people invited over for supper kind of thing,,,you get the point..... my best friend had a mental breakdown,,,,she basically became psychotic.....had to be hospitalized....she took up smoking,,,got disfellowshipped...and lost all emotional support....to this day,,,,as far as i know,,,she is still disfellowshipped...needs to be hospitialized every so often....she is on complete disability.....and still trying to get back into the org....her mother does support some what,,,,even though she is a witness herself,,,,,takes her to assemblies,,,,memorial,,,etc,,,,this has gone on for years.....she cannot mentally handle the organization,,,nor can she mentally handle not being a witness...lost everything....guilt....etc..... did not mean to ramble on so much......i have mental scars that will not go away....because i stayed in a "mess" for god,,,,i could write page after page of things like the above....as being my "last straw".......curious about you here on the board....any specific "breaking point" or a collection of many things..... thanks for your in put...peaches.

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  rocketman

  I was in for 30 years.

  Last straw: The Generation teaching change in 1995 (took me until 03 to leave).

  Other issues which created serious doubts:

  So-called "brothers" and "sisters" bad-mouthing one another, especially in field service, while at the same time trying to convince people to become jws. Here was a group that de-valued the people already in the religion while spending tremendous amounts of time trying to make converts.

  Stand against higher education

  Being an elder and seeing how things such as disfellowshipping were handled.

  The crap spewed by C.O.'s during every visit, especially when they met w Elders (for example, one C.O. said we should quit our job if we could not get off work to attend our assigned District Convention).
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  Do you think Roethlesberger would be suspended if he was black?

  by UnConfused in

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  2. friends

  http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-goodell-roethlisberger&prov=ap&type=lgns.

  pacman jones was never charged with a crime, yet was suspended for a year and then more i believe.

  i'm not defending the actions of jones, but based on those standards big ben has now been accused twice of sexual assult.

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  rocketman

  "Pacman Jones was NEVER charged with a crime"... What planet have you been living on? Thank you, miseryloveselders for posting Pacman's long list of criminal offenses for which he was indeed charged.
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  Is Atheism a 'Personal Rebellion' Against God?

  by leavingwt in

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  2. friends

  i try to understand why other people believe what they believe.

  the author discussed in the article below evidently wants to hide his head in the sand and paint all atheists with the same broad, incorrect brush.

  it's as if he's never actually sat down with an atheist and had friendly conversation.. .

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  rocketman

  "The rejection of God is a matter of will, not of intellect," he asserts.

  Many people reject the existence of God precisely because of intellect; religion and/or belief in a God as revealed in the Bible is simply not intellectually satisfying to them.
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  Unchanging TRUTH changes from 1939--thru--2000

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is a strange premise.

  god speaks through you, but, you make errors.

  when your errors are pointed out it means you have been blessed!.

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  rocketman

  The WTS includes the teaching of 1914 being the beginning of the Time of The End as one of their core teachings. Yet, look at all the changes in regard to 1914. Yet, they assert that such changes are "minor".
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  I'm new here!

  by its_me! in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been reading your posts for 2 weeks now, and i am riveted!

  i spend every spare moment on this site.

  it has become rather like a drug to me!

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  rocketman

  Welcome; having experienced first-hand the "love" among jws, you'll fit right in here.
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  Dinosaurs

  by roadrunner4speed in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone realize that dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible?

  god told us he created all the beast of the field didn't need to.

  mention dinosaurs seperatly.

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  rocketman

  Yes, the earlier edition NWT did have a dino in Africa on the inside cover. I was (still am) fascinated with dinosaurs and that little dino actually got me through more than a few boring meetings, as I contemplated dinos instead of whatever was being (re)hashed from the platform.
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  Dramatic posters on the board...

  by tresdecu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it cracks me up when i read a really dramatic "good bye to jwn" or "im outta here" threads only to see them posting a few days later.

  what is the point?

  if you want to stop posting for a while, then stop posting........and then if you want to start again, go for it.. are you just trying to get attention?.

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  rocketman

  It's happened from the time this (and other) boards came into existence. Some people, for various reasons, prefer to announce their departure, usually airing some grievance in the process. Personally, I pay no mind to it.

  One of the funniest replies I've seen to such an announcement was "see you tomorrow". I can't remember which thread (it was years ago), but that reply struck me as quite funny. And it's true - it often seems they come back anyway.
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  "When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying"

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  said to myself & others by a jw elder.. i always recall this as a sort of .

  when this elder was pressed on the matter, he replied that it was because of all the years of laughing & sneering & mocking that he had put up with, quoting the scripture that goes along the lines of 'where is this promised presence of his'.. i realise now that this person is not loving.

  and yet, i would hear similar sentiments from others such as 'just wait until the end' or 'i wonder if they'll be saying that when jesus comes with his big sword'.. even as a jw pioneer, the thought of such a thing happening to people repulsed me.

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  rocketman

  I've discussed what happened on Sept 11 2001 with some jws. I asked them: 'how did you feel when you saw 3,000 of your fellow US citizens die like that? Now imagine billions of people dying in a similar manner - buildings crumbling and so forth. Is that really what you want to see? Do you really understand what you are hoping and praying for?'

  As pointed out above by the poster who nicely quoted Amos 5:18, do they really realize what they're asking for?
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  Were You "Afraid" Of The Elders?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you view them as men who truly cared about you?.

  did your heart sink in fear when an elder came to talk to you?.

  were the elders nothing special to you?.

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  rocketman

  I feared them to some degree and bent over backwards to please them - until I became one. Then I saw their foibles first-hand. I also knew that I was nothing to fear. Hence, that fear disappeared.