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  My Letter to Brooklyn about the Parousia that got me disfellowshipped

  by cofty in

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  this is the letter i wrote back in '96 about the parousia.

  following the '95 watchtower that disconnected the "generation" from 1914 i began to look carefully at end-time prophecy and soon discovered what i knew were basic errors in what i had been taught.. i was a loyal jw at the time and was still serving as an elder.

  i used only watchtower publications in my research.

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  rocketman

  Great letter. It reminds me of an essay written by Alan Fuerbacher. Alan F was the first to get me thinking that the prophecies about the sign and the parousia, etc, would unfold differently than what I had been taught as a JW.

  As it happens, the WTS seems to be gradually shifting everything to a later fulfillment anyway. For instance, now the FDS will not be appointed over all the belongings of Christ until later, rather than since 1918.

  It would not surprise me at all that one day their teaching will match your letter almost exactly.
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  It's All Your Fault - 9.15.13 wt Study Ed

  by breakfast of champions in

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  "in a similar way, at the beginning of the 20th century, there were a number of wrong expectations among true christians regarding the last days.

  (2 tim.

  3:1) for instance, in the year 1914, some thought that their being taken to heaven was imminent.

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  This was the main stumbling point for me when the understanding of the term "Generation" was altered in 1995. I resented the implication greatly, and even though I was an elder at the time, it was a turning point and the impetus for my eventual exit.

  The notorious quote:

  "Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah's people have at times speculated about the time when the "great tribulation" would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914"
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  Nelson Mandela passes

  by designs in

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  the man who spent 27 years in prison in his relentless effort to free south africa from apartheid has passed at 94.. he sought peace, understanding and tolerance in his efforts to reconcile the nation and the peoples of south africa.

  he learned the africaaners language his captors spoke to be able to communicate and share his ideas for a better future.

  when ronald reagan and margaret thatcher wanted him to remain in prison mandela forgave them.

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  Always verify!

  The same thing happened when Joe Paterno DIDN"T die. It was all over Facebook that he died. He had not yet died.

  Never rely on Facebook for such info. People run with rumors and want to be the first to post the news.

  Verify!

  This is why Jesus delayed two days before going to Bethany. It was all over 1st-Century Facebook that Lazarus was dead. But Jesus knew better!
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  Anyone who's seen 'Man of Steel', can we talk about SPOILER-related stuff?

  by sd-7 in

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  2. entertainment

  if the title of the thread wasn't enough, spoiler alert.. spoiler alert.. .

  okay...so...that said, i haven't seen the movie, which would be a paradox except that i read the novelization.

  so...how'd you feel about the way it ended?

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  A guy I work with raises a similar question about the ending of Star Trek (2009):

  At the end, Kirk offers assistance to Nero as his ship is being pulled into the black hole. Spock initiates a quick sidebar and disagrees with this decision to extend help (understandable, since Nero destroyed Vulcan). The discussion is rendered moot when Nero says he would rather die, blah, blah, blah.

  The guy claims that this is ending goes against the Trek tradition of not killing and trying to save lives, even when it's the bad guy. He may have a point - it does seem rather un-Trek like to kill off an enemy.

  For example, even during multiple encounters with Khan, Khan was never killed off (in Wrath of Khan, it was Khan who destroyed his own ship as a result of deploying the Genesis device), despite being probably the most notorious villain in the Trek universe.

  Personally, I wasn't all that troubled by this scene, though I would tend to agree that it was a bit un-Trekish.
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  Are there any former Circuit Overseers on this site?

  by Robert7 in

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  i've seen responses from a number of elders, but have any co's become enlightened?

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  Don Nelson's story is, well, a letdown. For me anyway. It seems he went from being a religious zealot to being, well, a religious zealot.
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  Bizarre, nonsensical answer from JW.org on their FAQ page...

  by Muddy Waters in

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  the answer on the faq page makes no sense.

  the question is: "why don't you call your meeting place a church?".

  the answer makes no sense at all.

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  Technically, the answer is correct, in that, if a church is indeed a group of people, and the meaning was limited to just that.

  The problem is that the terms, in typical understanding, are interchangable. So when a person says "I'm going to chruch", they usually mean that they are attending a religious service that involves a group of people coming together at a given location to worship.

  We all know the real reason that they don't call it a church, which has already been mentioned. Can't be like that dirty old gal Christendom now, can we?
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  Falling asleep whilst praying..

  by punkofnice in

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  when i believed in jehovah(tm), i'd pray to him at night.

  i'd doze off.. i remember admonition from the podium that it was disrespectful to doze off during our personal prayers to imaginary sky god jehovah(tm).. i'd wake up.

  say sorry to jehovah(tm) then either carry on grovelling or just end it.. one thing's for sure, asleep or awake, pray or not it makes no difference........no one's listening!.

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  I'd often fall asleep while praying too. In fact, it's a pretty good antidote for insomnia.
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  Is This Site As Active As It Was In The Past?

  by minimus in

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  i'm just curious if jwn is as busy as it was even a year or two ago?

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  sometimes it seems this place buzzes and other times, not so much....but maybe it's all in my head..

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  The pace is still dizzying for someone like me who visits about once/day and hardly ever on weekends. I find myself trying to catch up, and I have to pass on what are probably many worthwhile threads.

  There are some things I'd love to see from the new site:

  1. A type of "Like" function. As much as I hate to mimic a Facebook idea, there are a lot of really good posts that I cannot quote, especially on threads that run several pages. It would be great to let the writer of an excellent post that you appreciate their effort.

  2. A User Control Panel.

  3. A Thread Preview, whereby pointing the mouse to a thread topic opens a brief preview of the thread. This would help users (like me) to narrow down, to some extent, the threads that they will find worthwhile and interesting.
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  This Relatively New Governing Body @ Bethel Not Liked By Bethelites Even the Ass Kissers

  by frankiespeakin in

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  when i was a bethelite back many years ago(1970's), a lot of bethelites would say negative things about knorr, kline, and other members of the gb in private conversation.

  there was at that time more freedom to express these things without feeling too threatened, which i feel is no longer the case.. now we have a completely new governing body all appointed after 1999 except for losch(1994).

  since that time we have seen a steady increase in authoritarianism from this self proclaimed august body, where no descension or voicing a negative opinon with reguards to the governing body is allowed.

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  "So while the Governing Body are basking in the approval and ass kissing nature of those that surround them there must also be gossip behind their backs about them there at bethel, so to their faces everything is good and people are obediant but behind their backs is an under current of dislike and talk of incompetence, about these NewBoys on the GB."

  Do you have evidence of this? You're making an assumption. While it may be somewhat valid, based on past experience, it's still only an assumption.
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  No Booing Allowed At District Conventions Especially During Apostate Hate Speech Talks

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this district assembly talk is so bad it a shame that no one is allowed to get up boo it, or voice anything negative about it, they have a captive audience of heads noding yes and claps of approval and agreement with every word or else.. it would liven up things if a group spread out in a stadium and started yelling "hate speech hate speech!

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  rocketman

  Yet another thread started by frankiespeakin.