Posts by rocketman

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How do JWs Not see how barbaric YHWH is? Its what started my awakening.

by BU2B in

if one reads genesis from the first chapter through the end with an open mind, it is clear that not only is it not true, but that god is potrayed as a cruel, petty, childish micromanaging tyrant.

if one continues reading the ot this is just further solidified.

how do jws not see the obvious?

rocketman

Cofty, I'm not a theist or an apologist. Just my .02 on what I get from the Bible. What I'm merely saying is that those who look for some explanation from the Bible probably won't find one. I'm not saying that's right, or wrong. But it is, to myself and likely countless others, frustrating. When I read Job, for example, I look for some explanation, and I wonder how Job felt by not getting one.

I take no stand for or against - I know better than to do that around here. I don't care to debate. Offer an opinion here and the sharks circle, waiting to devour.

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How do JWs Not see how barbaric YHWH is? Its what started my awakening.

by BU2B in

if one reads genesis from the first chapter through the end with an open mind, it is clear that not only is it not true, but that god is potrayed as a cruel, petty, childish micromanaging tyrant.

if one continues reading the ot this is just further solidified.

how do jws not see the obvious?

rocketman

There's a basic pattern to most of God's judgments in the OT - warning, time allowed for repentance, then all hell breaks loose. In some cases, the time allowed was hundreds of years, such as for the Israelites and even the Amorites, whose error was allowed to 'come to completion'.

There are some cases that seem to be exceptions, such as the stoning of Achan and the guy who picked up stuff on the Sabbath. Then there was the poor guy who tried to steady the Ark of The Covenant. In these instances, judgment was swift. There were warnings given, though not directly to the individuals involved. All should have known better, but none received a reprieve.

Interestingly in Job, he took it on the chin quite hard and never received an explanation as to why. God simply questioned him with 'where were you when I...?' and then restored him. But nothing was ever really explained.

Perhaps God feels that he owes no explanation. If he didn't explain it to a man who lost everything, he's not obliged, apparently, to explain it to us.

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Did Jesus say his followers would be witnesses of Jehovah?

by blondie in

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friends

what did jesus say?.

(acts 1:8)8 but you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me both in jerusalem and in all judea and samaria and to the most distant part of the earth.

by "divine providence" what did jesus' followers become known as?.

rocketman

If a JW were to go to doors in field service and say 'we're witnesses of Jesus' he/she would likely draw a reprimand from the elders.

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How do JWs Not see how barbaric YHWH is? Its what started my awakening.

by BU2B in

if one reads genesis from the first chapter through the end with an open mind, it is clear that not only is it not true, but that god is potrayed as a cruel, petty, childish micromanaging tyrant.

if one continues reading the ot this is just further solidified.

how do jws not see the obvious?

rocketman

Really good thread.

Of course, it's not just Jehovah's Witnesses, but Christians and Jews claim to love the God of the Hebrew Scriptures too.

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My take on the meeting yesterday.

by integ in

some of you are aware of where i'm at with this whole thing.

i still occasionally go to meetings for family reasons but my attendance has been lack luster at best.

i'd say i go about once a month if that.. i empathize with those who are wary of taking the ultimate stand for fear of losing their family.

rocketman

When I was an elder, I'd sometimes stand at the back of the auditorium during the meetings, and just look at those in attendance sitting in their seats. I'd say to myself 'if not for them (their willingness to obey jw doctrine), I'd have no authority'.

This is how it likely is with the GB. Take away the rank-and-file, and their authority is gone.

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April 2014 WT is up, more attacks on career and unbelieving family!

by EndofMysteries in

here are some highlights from the magazine.

the first article, "imitate the faith of moses", teaches how moses didn't remain in pharohs court, they then skillfully spin getting a decent paying job and career as equaling "enjoyment of sin", and how those who have "enjoyment of sin" will die at armageddon with everyone else who enjoys their job.

here are some quotes from the article.... "when tempted to engage in sinful conduct, ask, what future do i want for myself?....

rocketman

Poor Sophie gave up here career, but meanwhile, Serena Williams continues on her quest for yet another tennis Grand Slam championship this week, and if she wins, you can bet she'll thank Jehovah for all she has accomplished.

And bear in mind, I'm not blaming Ms Williams one bit. I applaud her for pursuing a rewarding career. I pity "Sophie" for surrendering the chance for the same thing.

And meanwhile, "Sophie" depends totally on her husband, apparently, for support, and has no skills of her own to rely on should her marriage tank.

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Just out of curiosity, how many elders (current & ex) do we have here?

by mrquik in

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me.

rocketman

Ex.

It was being an elder that truly turned me off to many things within the religion. Prior to that, I was a star-struck JW who saw the organization through rose-colored classes. It was only after seeing how an elder body was just a bunch of guys trying not to screw things up did I realize what the rest of the organization was like.

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A bona fide Circuit Overseer endorses jw.net!

by abiather in

though he is a typical wt slave, we are like david and jonathan.. in my most intimate conversation with him, i asked him:.

how do you manage serving an organization built on inherent contradictions?.

he said: organization helps people to grow spiritual, like any other religious organizations do.

rocketman

I wonder if he was either referring to jw.org and accidentally called it .net, or if he's thinking of that jw board (the name escapes me at the moment) that consists of jws only?

In any case, I'm having trouble buying this, although I wouldn't dismiss it entirely as fiction. I mean, it is conceivable.

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Do You Dine out? If so do you return unsatisfactory food?

by KateWild in

i was chatting today in the sauna, as one does if you don't go to meetings about dining out.

one pleasant fellow said he would never return food, he explained it was because he is convinced the staff would do something to the food.. do you agree?.

kate xx.

rocketman

I returned a steak recently at a Longhorn Steak House. I ordered it medium, so I expected some rareness. But it was barely cooked at all and qualified as very rare, not medium. The baked potato was also sub-par, but I didn't complain.

Normally they're pretty good there, and I did go back and found the baked potato much more to my liking - a 'whiter' inside that kind of blooms when it's cut open. rather than a darker interior that kind of just 'chunks' when you open it.

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Christmas - love it or leave it?

by Xanthippe in

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friends

i am just watching my neighbours across the road putting up christmas lights while their children run around bursting with excitement.

i am feeling all christmassy now.

can't wait for my daughter to come home from uni next weekend so we can go and buy a tree from the garden centre.

rocketman

Christmas is my least favorite holiday. It's a holiday hijacked by retailers.