Posts by LevelThePlayingField

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Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...

by Stumpy in

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i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.

you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!

what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.

LevelThePlayingField

Hey Stumpy - man, you really helped me wake up! All those articles that you put links to....I still have them saved in my hard drive in hopes that I can use them to help family.

Best to you!

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Questions for elders to think about in child abuse cases

by purrpurr in

again from the shepard the flock book, this is about dealing with child abuse, it gives the elders points to think about and discuss when deciding on child abuse cases.... "(5) what is the.

body believe that he can be trusted with children?

the following questions should be answered with re-.

While waiting a traffic light, a tree falls onto a car, crushing the young man behind the wheel. The police ask the parents of the young man if he was "mature" for his age. They ask about his reputation and if he was a good student in school.

Then with this information gathered and in-hand, they make a determination if the young man was at fault or if it was just an unforeseen occurrence.

That's what I think of when the elders book asks these stupid-ass questions. If there's a crime, you don't evaluate the victim, you evaluate the facts.

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On the reliability of the Watchtower

by Sergey Antonov in

hello!

could you give a link to the articles of the watchtower society, where they claim that information from the faithful and prudent slave comes from god and jesus christ.

and also, that magazines publish not people's thoughts, but god?.

LevelThePlayingField

*** w94 10/1 p. 8 The Bible—A Book Meant to Be Understood ***

CHANNEL TO UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE

JESUS assured us that after his death and resurrection, he would raise up a “faithful and discreet slave” that would serve as his channel of communication.(Matthew 24:45-47)” [...] “All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.—John 6:68.

Also, they governing body say that they are actually substituting for Christ. They changed their Bible and added the word "substituting" when it's not even in the Greek and NO other Bible uses such a word.

At 2 Corinthians 5:20, it says, “Therefore, we are ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us. As substitutes for Christ, we beg: “Become reconciled to God.”

“A few anointed members of “the Israel of God” still remain, and as Jesus’ brothers, they continue to act as “ambassadors substituting for Christ.” (2 Cor. 5:20) They have been appointed as a faithful and discreet slave class to care for and provide spiritual food for anointed ones and a growing crowd of Christians, who now include millions having the hope of living on earth forever.” (WT 1-15-10 p. 31 par. 14)

*** w13 7/15 p. 20 par. 2 “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” ***

That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel.

*** w09 2/15 p. 27 par. 11 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***

Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?

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JW's really are NOT really neutral in politics - Proof

by LevelThePlayingField in

from: https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal-resources/information/.

(emphasis is mine).

“jehovah’s witnesses do not involve themselves in political issues or governmental affairs.

LevelThePlayingField

From: https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal-resources/information/

(emphasis is mine)

“Jehovah’s Witnesses do not involve themselves in political issues or governmental affairs. They have no interest in attempting to influence governmental authorities. (John 15: 18; 17:14, 16) As a result of their spiritual values, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not involve themselves in lobbying, civil disobedience, or movements to seize power or bring about changes in governments or laws.”

From: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/political-neutrality/

“Jehovah’s Witnesses remain politically neutral for religious reasons, based on what the Bible teaches. We do not lobby, vote for political parties or candidates, run for government office, or participate in any action to change governments.”

Notice that they say JW’s “have no interest in attempting to influence governmental authorities”.

Wasn’t the Governing Body endorsing a letter writing campaign “an attempt to influence governmental authorities”?

That was the very purpose for writing the letters; to attempt to influence the government of Russia not go through with the ban on JW’s.

They also said JW’s “do not involve themselves in...bringing about changes in governments”, and “We do not participate in any action to change governments”.

Wasn’t the letter writing campaign an action to try to change the government? That’s getting involved in “governmental affairs”.

So, according to their own literature, Jehovah’s Witnesses violate neutrality.

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The Latest Thing Waking People Up...

by pale.emperor in

since i woke up and left i've been contacted by others i knew from my youth who've also left the cult.

also people around the world on facebook adding me out of the blue because we have mutual friends and they occasionally ask me stuff or share their story.. what i've noticed in the vast majority of cases, is that people are waking up not because of the arc or doctrine but apathy.

active jws are becoming less and less interested, less and less bothered.

LevelThePlayingField

All of this is true from what I see as well. I'm particularly thinking about the ministry. There is absolutely NO urgency any more. I remember back in the 80's when I got baptized there was actually pep-in-the-step of people.

Now, it's LONG breaks and socializing at a local McDonalds or what have you.

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Mexico/Malawi & JWfacts.om

by Beth Sarim in

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i just want to say something which the vast majority of jw's who are active, fading , hard-core, doubting or what have you who don't know about malawi and mexico.

i'm just ''over generalizing'' by saying the above, about most jw's who don't know about the mexico/malawi scandal.

i strongly encourage any jw who is doubting or ''wondering'' about this ''organization'' to browse jwfacts.com.. just watched the john cedars rebuttal of the 2018 regional convention the sunday program.

LevelThePlayingField

The governing body is like a dirty old man who was molesting several children for several years and then when all those children turned him in at the same time with video proof on all cases, the old man turns and says, "It wasn't me. It aint me, it's my twin brother." And he doesn't sweat, his doesn't flinch, he doesn't turn red from embarrassment. He just stands there completely convinced he is telling the truth.

Then he turns to all the children and says, "Come here. Give me a hug".

The Watchtower is really like that. So yes, Malawi, no problem.

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Field Ministry is like 1980 Milk Carton Missing Child

by LevelThePlayingField in

imagine going to the door today and showing the householder a milk carton from 1980 with a missing child on it and asking, "have you ever seen this child?

" the householder looks and quickly says, "no i haven't, sorry.".

then the next door, same thing.

LevelThePlayingField

I remember going in the field ministry, I think it was for the second time and the elder I was with stuck his foot in the door and told the householder, "you're putting yourself in very precarious situation by doing that". That elder died about 2 years ago, and I'm sure the old man he was talking to is dead also.

Yikes.

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Proof that naughty watchtower does watch apostate videos

by joe134cd in

https://youtu.be/f_wvcvooxlo.

LevelThePlayingField

I agree with joe134cd, yeah the Watchtower had watched the video. Too bad, so sad, so sorry, your dad.

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Why are JDubs scared to death of apostate websites?

by Sour Grapes in

when i was an elder back in the 1970's i loved to debate and challenge ministers, preachers, and holy rollers.

now you can be a loyal jdub fully indoctrinated for 30 years but just take a peek at an apostate website and you are doomed.

yes, satan now has you by the gonads and all of the years of being at the meetings, all of the family worship nights, all of the conventions, and all of the personal study just go up in a cloud of smoke.

LevelThePlayingField

You have a really good point when you say that just one peek at an apostate website and POOF, there goes the JW's belief system, down the drain.

I remember on brother telling me one time that we should avoid anything or anyone even close to apostasy because he heard of an apostate who came to the meeting one time and whispered in someone's ear something and then that person never came back to the meetings again, ever.

I thought to myself when he said that to me, "well, then that person's faith wasn't worth anything if that's all it takes."

Really, hey, it's true. If you have the truth, then no matter who says to you "2+2=5 or the moon is made of cheese" type of comments, it don't matter. The TRUTH can handle scrutiny.

But that's where the rubber meets the road. THEY DON'T HAVE THE TRUTH.

End of story.

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Ireland

by berrygerry in

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/concerns-grow-jehovahs-witnesses-irish-child-sex-abuse-files-421695.

concerns grow over jehovah’s witnesses irish child sex abuse files.

the sunday business post (ireland), sunday, july 22, 2018 - page 11. the jehovah’s witnesses have been urged to give the authorities potentially hundreds of documents related to child sex abuse in ireland over fears the organisation could be forced to delete them after a recent european court of justice ruling on the religion’s data-handling practices.. this month, the european court of justice ruled that the jehovah’s witnesses church was not exempt on any religious grounds from certain elements of the newly introduced gdpr data protection laws.. the jehovah's witnesses had argued that its practice of door-to-door preaching was covered by an exemption to the data protection law, but the court upheld an earlier decision by the finnish supreme court.. it now leaves the religion's irish and british headquarters - known at the watch tower - with a conundrum in relation to the potentially thousands of documents related to child abuse allegations in both countries, according to jason wynne, a former jehovah's witness who is now a campainger for awareness about instances of abuse within the religion.. wynne told the sunday business post that while the new law allows current and former jehovah's witnesses to request the deletion of files containing sensitive personal information, it could also "have a knock-on effect to their child abuse policies.".

LevelThePlayingField

But for JW's it's many times in front of two or three elders, there for the clergy priviledge is out the window.