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BackseatDevil
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Were you 'alive in '75' and how was that year for you?
by punkofnice ini was a junior borgite in 1975. i remeber looking at the calendar at work in october and thinking: 'armageddon isn't here yet.....and it doesn't feel like it will be here anytime soon either!'.
i was surprised that jehovah hadn't obeyed the superior command to bring the big 'a' as instructed to him by fred franz.
how dare god disobey the jw leader!!!!!.
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Circuit Oversneer Says. . .
by piztjw in"do you realize how much of a privelge it is to enjoy the visit of the circuit overseer?
they are appointed by the governing body who in turn are apointed by jesus and holy spirit.
so you have a great privilege when we visit your congregation, because it is the same thing as having jesus visit you.
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BackseatDevil
i once had a pontifical blessing from a priest. He said the same thing.
Methinks SOMEBODY is lying....
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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?
by EdenOne inin a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
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BackseatDevil
Why does god have to be so f**king needy? He's GOD.
Plus, Jesus came to preach against the organizations on earth at the time... it took until the 3rd century after he died for any reliable "organization" to be established.
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BackseatDevil
Life is actually an insurance for death. Religion is just the plastic roses decorating the path along the way.
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circuit assembly in cleveland -the good, the bad, and the ugly
by nowwhat? inbrother cuei{?
] really cool and funny, feet planted firmly on the the ground.
the usual good council on how we can save alot of grief by applying bible principles, etc.
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BackseatDevil
Just by being a Jehovha's Witness he is thus by defaut neither cool nor funny... and his feet most certainly are not planted firmly on the the ground.
Now, his presentation could be cool and funny, and his feet could be planed on the the ground of Mr. Roger's Land of Make-Believe. That is certainly possible.
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Revelation written to the 1st century churches
by maccauk11 inim suggesting revelation was not for us today but to the seven churches in minor asia.
they 1st centruy faithful ones were waiting for the promised return of messiah, like he promised them.
he did in fact return on the lcouds to take them to heaven.
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BackseatDevil
@Phizzy Yea, "there were no Atheists in the Foxholes" in WW1 .
If there was a god, there would be no WW1 in the first place. LOL.
The first three chapters were written to the 7 churches at the time. Then it gets a bit weird (I have a theory that John of Patmos was suffering from malaria and thus took a divergence in writing styles LOL). In any case, in reply to your statement, yes according to the first three chapters of the book, Revelation was written for the first century Christians. The Apocalypse of Peter (left out of the bible canon) was written for the second century Christians.
Terry makes a good point of The scriptures are pretty clear on one thing; Jesus' apostles and disciples expected events which did not occur. As the centuries went on, this expectation of events just repeated itself. All scripture is written open-ended but the individual books are literature, It is possible to 'reapply' scriptures per each generation much like one could find a poem from centuries ago poignant today or the works of William Shakespeare personally applicable in life.
What religion has done with the book of Revelation through the centuries has been astounding... even though the original text was never meant to be used as a guide outside the churches mentioned.
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Question about 9/11 and the WT.
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some friends familiar with wt gossip have told me that the decision to move out of ny was in part accelerated by the tragic events of 9/11.. my take on this is that decision to relocate was made a long time before, however they counter that a move was planned but not the total detachment that is occurring.. i wonder if anyone here has an opinion or information on this.. thanks.
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BackseatDevil
I wrote this somewhere else, but in reality Bethel as a whole is NOT preparing for the end of the world. They do not have a concept of interrupted printing presses at any time. When the attacks happened, this changed. There now existed a real-time threat that could hault printing. The only reason they are at the location in Brooklyn was for ease of shipping via water which is no longer a method of delivery used by the Society.
This is important: They, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN NEW YORK, wanted to get the hell out - they were all emotional and scared. Manhatten started offering apartments to rent for cheap to get people to move back into the city in the years following the attackes. From a religious standpoint (and I heard this from my mother) an attack of that nature means the end of the world (of course) and attacks on Jehovah's Witnesses woudl be next - ripe for attack as they are directly on the water. (eye roll.)
9/11 was a factor because it brought a very unrealistic perception of martyrdom into a very real inner circle of their production. From that point, I believe all other factors fell into place. Up until 2000 the idea of moving Brooklyn was not even heard in murmurs.
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Have you noticed the JW child who........?
by Phizzy inhave you seen the jw child who grows up to be the ideal product of the cult from its point of view, and presumably from its indoctrinated parent's point of view?.
that young person is a weirdo !!!.
i can think of a number like this, still a minority fortunately, in that most of the ones i watched grow up either left or did not embrace the thing anywhere near 100%.. but those one-hundred-percenter kids are something to behold !.
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BackseatDevil
Ummm... yes I have seen those children. One of them was named James. He wrote a book (www.backseatdevil.com) about leaving the organization.
He is no longer "weird"... he's just himself, and he's one of a kind.
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Why do i feel guilty?
by DS211 inlast night i had a few drinks and messaged one of my old friends.
i havent seen or spoken to him in a few years because when i became a witness i could not condone or be a part of his worldly behavior...so last night i came clean and i told him why ive basically shunned him the last few years and he said it made sense (he used to be a witness a long time ago).
he said he was pissed for a while but he got over it and all that....i apologised and expressed my own doubts and my situation and he said he understood.
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BackseatDevil
It sounds less about guilt and more about conflict of interest. guilt is a form of self-shame. It's good to have it because it keeps us from doing bad to others. The guilt you have isn't geared toward others, its toward yourself. With an internalized cycle it is more about conflict. Guilt is just one of the surfacing avenues.
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Moses, rock and water??????
by jam inso moses was denied the promise land because he struck the.
rock instead of talking to the rock.. exodus 17;6 he is told to strike the rock but in numbers 20;8 he.
is told to speak to the rock.. ok folks, this is one stupid story.. first of all maybe moses thought i will stand before the assembly and.
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BackseatDevil
It's called a "spring." It was probably clogged. Moses said "hey, I'm going to unclog this and get some water." So he struck it hard to get some water... and later something bad happened. He made a connection, wrote about it FOR A LESSoN TO ALL. And now we're over analyzing it while many companies have turned this EXACT concept into a multi-billion dollar industry, covering the globe and cloging up trash bins with plastic water bottles.