comments you will not hear at the 03-11-07 wt study (february 1, 2007, pages 17-21)(appreciative).
review comments will be in red.
wt material from today's wt will be in black.
Thanks again Blondie,
I really look forward to this each week. Not for the Watchtower garbage, but your insights on it
We still have family in so we want to know the current brainwashing detergent being used.
Looks like its still the same environmentally dangerous pollution.
yesidid
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ok - dont shout at me -but i know that archaeologists will change a theory based on a new find.
so will historains.
so will scientists.
Mad you said:
The problem is that you Bashers don't WANT to look
at the fact that the only 'doctrines' that change are
1-Rules of our organization (legal, political law,
choices of our meetings & preaching tatics, etc.), and
2- (Thank Heavens) Guesswork on the meaning of prophecy!
Would you mind going through the list below, and just check if they fit into your list above.
This, by the way is not the complete list of changes, but it should do for now.
1. Blood: 1940 all blood ok, 1945 no blood, 1961 disfellowshiping offence.
1964 Witness doctors able to give blood to non Witnesses. 1975 hemophiliacs
not to use fractions, four months later hemophiliacs may use blood fractions.
2000 fractions conscience matter. 2000 Bovine hemoglobin allowed.
2004 Fraction position explained to publishers.
2. Organ transplants. OK Before 1968. ‘68
cannibalism-..1980 OK3. Divorce for bestiality, no/yes
4. Divorce for homosexuality no/yes
5. Funerals for people who suicide: Until 1977, no. After ‘77 yes.
6. Alternative service/ Civilian service Before ’96 disfellowshiping offence. After 1996: OK.
7. Generation Started 1914/Not started 1914
8. Men of Sodom resurrected: yes/no
8 changes9. Superior Authorities Rom 13:1916 Governments, 1943 Jehovah and Christ, 1964 Governments.
10. Creation days: Was 6000 years, now not sure.
11. Christmas celebrations: Yes till 192? /now no.
12. BirthdaycelebrationsYes until 1951 / then no.
13. The Cross: On the cover of every Watchtower till 1931. Then no.
14. Date of Christ’s Return
. 1874/1914.
15. Pyramidology: Russell, Divine Omen; Rutherford demonology.
16. Serving in the Military yes/no
17. Man who sows seed Matt 13:
In same year, Satan then Jesus18. "Alpha and Omega":
August 1978, Jehovah, Oct 1978 Jesus.
19. The ‘Lord’ in Romans 10:12-16: 1903 Jesus, 1940 Jehovah / 1978 Jesus / 1980 Jehovah.
20. Faithful & discreet slave: 1916 Russell / 1927 not Russell
21. Great multitude Rev 7: Heavenly calling/ earthly calling
22. Each Witness is a minister: Yes/no/yes
23. There would be resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, David etc. in 1925
24.
1260 Days in Dan 7:25; 12:7, Rev 11:1-3: There have been seven changes.25. The close of heavenly calling: 1881/1935
26. End 6000 years man’s existence: 1873/1975
27. Start of "the last days’: 1799/1914
28. Elder arrangement: Russell yes, Rutherford no, Knorr yes.
29. In a judgment period: before 1995 yes, after 1995 no.
30. Date the Kingdom started to rule: 1878/1914
Dates prophesied for Armageddon
1914
1915
1918
1925
1975
for a print quality scan of the article, please go to: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/412824234_0a78354c22_b.jpg.
otherwise, a web quality scan is below.. .
Nero...............please take your tongue out of your cheek.............it will soon make a permanent stretch mark.
yesidid
how long before the lawyers attack the new sixscreens of the watchtower web site?
i don't want it to happen but i bet it does.
if it does i hope it gets a lot of publicity before it actualy goes down.the site is extremely well put together and has some info that i never seen before like some of the info on the cross.
Although I am vitally interested in it's contents, the music and atmosphere of the site really irritates me and I cant stay on long.
It's a shame because I am sure it would have the same effect on many of their target audience.
i have been lurking for quite some time now on jwd.
my story is pretty much just like everyone else's, "only the names have been changed".
in reading your posts, i have both laughed and cried till tears ran down my cheeks.
James,
Is it past your bedtime?
You sound like my grand daughter when she's overtired. Although she is usually quite delightful, she gets quite spiteful and nasty when she's very tired.
I'm sure if you go and have a good sleep you will feel better in the morning.
Good-night
yesidid
hi everybody.. i've been a long time lurker here (as are sooo many others.
further to following mouthy's thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/129936/1.ashx , i noticed that the 'six screens' website is finally shown as being able to be 'checked out'.. i believe minimus first posted about this some months back.
some here have been waiting & asking about it ever since.. http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com.
If the target audience is ex-JW's I would think you would get between 50 and 80% who would read more than two screens.
They would be mainly young people.
For active, even questioning, current witnesses, the graphics and music would turn them right off. They would run like all the
demons of hell were after them, particularly if they were over thirty.
It is a real shame because you have spent a lot of time and there is a lot of very good info current witnesses should read.
yesdid
it was announced at the service meeting.
so it's definately a goer.
starting jan 2008. .
tongue for giving us the letter. Will be very interested in Jw's comments.
yesidid
i used to view the pharisees as the 'evil spawn of satan'.
i still remember that image in the literature of a bearded man looking down at people.
boy was i clueless!!
Or maybe it was the article where they blamed Jehovah for the suffering caused by their previous teaching:
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w988/15p.17StrengtheningOurConfidenceinGod’sRighteousness***FeelingsofHavingSufferedNeedlessly
6 In the past, some Witnesses have suffered for refusing to share in an activity that their conscience now might permit.
For example, this might have been their choice years ago as to certain types of civilian service. A brother might now
feel that he could conscientiously perform such without overstepping his Christian neutrality regarding the present system of things.
7 Was it unrighteous on
Jehovah’s part to allow him to suffer for rejecting what he now might do without consequences?----What reason could anyone have to regret having followed his conscience in taking a firm stand for Jehovah? By loyally upholding
Christian principles as they understood them or by responding to the proddings of conscience, they proved worthy of Jehovah’s friendship.
yesidid
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i used to view the pharisees as the 'evil spawn of satan'.
i still remember that image in the literature of a bearded man looking down at people.
boy was i clueless!!
Or maybe it was one of the articles where the society said it was wrong to do alternative service:
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w869/1p.20ChristianNeutralsinaBloodstainedWorld*** 16---
Whether the issue was shedding blood, noncombatant military work, alternative service, or saluting an imagesuch as a national flag, faithful Christians took the position that there was no middle ground. In some c
ases they were executed because of this stand.
—Matthew 24:9; Revelation 2:10.***
yb82pp.226-227Italy***From 1978 to 1980 there have been, on an average, 500 young brothers a year in prison on account
of the neutrality issue. It is calculated that up to the present, several thousand Witnesses have kept
a clear conscience before Jehovah God in this respect. ---
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g7412/8pp.23-24TheNetherlandsFreesImprisonedWitnesses***Authorities
BegintoListenOn March 26, 1971, three representatives of Jehovah’s witnesses met with a forum representing the ministries
of Defense and Justice. The discussion lasted two and a half hours.
One of the first points of discussionpresented by the forum was this: "That you wish no part in performing military service is clear and needs
no further explanation. But what really is your objection to civil, alternative service?"
The Witnesses explained that it is not that they are opposed to civil service as such, but, rather,
it is a matter of strict neutrality. Therefore, any work that is merely a substitute for military service
would be unacceptable to Jehovah’s witnesses.
Other questions narrowed the issue down still further. "When a person objects to military service,"
the government’s agents declared, "he passes from military jurisdiction on to civil jurisdiction
and from that moment has nothing at all to do with the military. Why, then, is the accepting of
such civil service still so objectionable?"
Willingly accepting such work is objectionable to the Christian because of what God’s law says about the
matter: "You were bought with a price; stop becoming slaves of men." (1 Cor. 7:23)Civilian servitude as
a substitute for military service would be just as objectionable to the Christian. In effect, he would
thereby become a part of the world instead of keeping separate as Jesus commanded
.—John 15:19; 17:14-16.***
w882/1p.19WillYouBeaWitnessfortheTrueGod?***16 A study entitled "More About Justifying Violence" said: "Jehovah’s Witnesses have consistently
maintained their stand of nonviolent ‘Christian neutrality’ . . . Their continuing stand against national
service of any form, military orcivilian, and their refusal to honor symbols of national identity have
resulted in periods of prosecution, imprisonment, and mob action in many countries
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w512/1p.77PacifismandConscientiousObjection—IsThereaDifference?***13
Because they are wholly dedicated to God by their vows to him through Christ, Jehovah’s witnesses areaccording to God’s Word no part of this world which is governed by the political systems. For this important
Bible reason they tell officials of the government that they conscientiously object to serving in any
military establishment or any civilian arrangement that substitutes for military service.
yesidid
i used to view the pharisees as the 'evil spawn of satan'.
i still remember that image in the literature of a bearded man looking down at people.
boy was i clueless!!
Hi Caine,
I think this may be the article mentioned.
(Emphasis mine)
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w965/1pp.19-20PayingBackCaesar’sThingstoCaesar***CivilianService16 However, there are lands where the State, while not allowing exemption for ministers of religion, nevertheless
acknowledges that some individuals may object to military service. Many of these lands make provision
for such conscientious individuals not to be forced into military service. In some places a required
civilian service, such as useful work in the community, is regarded as nonmilitary national
service. Could a dedicated Christian undertake such service?Here again, a dedicated,
baptized Christian would have to make his own decision on the basis of his Bible-trained conscience.
17 It seems that compulsory service was practiced in Bible times. ------. The New Testament, too, cites
examples of corvée in Judea, showing how widespread it was. In accordance with this custom, the soldiers
pressed Simon of Cyrene into carrying Jesus’ cross [torture stake] (Matthew 5:41; 27:32; Mark 15:21; Luke 23:26)."
18 ---Where such civilian service is for the good of the community and is not connected with false religion or is not in some
other way objectionable to the consciences of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have often complied. (1 Peter 2:13-15)
This has usually resulted in an excellent witness and has sometimes silenced those who falsely accuse
the Witnesses of being antigovernment.—Compare Matthew 10:18.
19
What, though, if the State requires a Christian for a period of time to perform civilian service that is a part ofnational service under a civilian administration?Here again, Christians must make their own decision
based on an informed conscience. "We shall all stand before the judgment seat of God."
(Romans 14:10)Christians faced with a requirement of Caesar should prayerfully study the matter and meditate on it.
It may also be wise to talk the matter over with mature Christians in the congregation.
After this a personal decision must be made.
—Proverbs 2:1-5; Philippians 4:5.20 ----Would performing it prevent or unreasonably limit them from fulfilling their Christian responsibilities?
(Matthew 24:14; Hebrews 10:24, 25)On the other hand, would they be able to continue to make
spiritual progress, perhaps even sharing in the full-time ministry while performing the required service?
—
Hebrews 6:11, 12.21 What if the Christian’s honest answers to such questions lead him to conclude that the national civilianservice is a "good work" that he can perform in obedience to the authorities?That is his decision before
Jehovah. Appointed elders and others should fully respect the conscience of the brother and
continue to regard him as a Christian in good standing.
yesidid
