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  Kingdom Hall Sales

  by lastmanstanding in

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  video conferencing systems are being installed in kingdumb halls.

  this is being charged to the congregations.. the ability to video conference, zoom, directly from the halls will now be the thing.. i believe that the current situation has given the wts an idea.. if there are two kingdom halls in an area, then one can be sold.. congregations will split the use, half using the hall one week and zooming the next and visa versa..

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  Hard to believe, not so long ago, they were slamming this sort of thing. Jehovah’s people only received his Holy Spirit at the Kingdom Hall.
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  LDS statistics, by extension, may suggest that the JWs could be bigger with a more engaged membership.

  by joe134cd in

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  i was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the lds church.

  i think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) the jws are bigger as a religious organisation.. (2) jw membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.. (3) wt is been honest with its counting.

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  Just because Mormons men and woman, dont go out door to door proselytizing doesn't mean they are not registered and accounted church going Mormons.

  That is a true statement as well. Ok, let’s look at it this way. The LDS general conference, which is comparable to the JW memorial, had a world wide attendance of 20 million. The JW memorial attendance, is around the same. This would anecdotally support the idea that the 2 religions membership are about the same. When you consider that the LDS had a 50 year head start on the JWs. It would suggest how successful the JW proselytising methods have been. True, over the short term,and particularly in this present environment, the results may be some what ambiguous. But when looked at over the long term, very impressive. In that, they were able to close a 50 year gap with their religious competitor. I would put it to you, that they may also have more members, who are more engaged. Those sorts of numbers, with that kind of customer base, would be impressive even buy Microsoft/Apple computer standards.
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  Has Anything Positive Come Out Of This Coronavirus Isolation For You?

  by minimus in

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  i guess you could make a case of more families being together although that might not be the best situation.

  less cars and pollutants mean we can breathe better.

  if you were ever uncomfortable in crowds, this could be good news.

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  It was absolutely fantastic. The whole 4 weeks were just jammed packed. I got some jobs finished that would of taken months to of completed if I only had weekends to do it. It was kind of weird because during lock down it was the furtherest thing from my mind. Kind of a blessing in disguise really.
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  LDS statistics, by extension, may suggest that the JWs could be bigger with a more engaged membership.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
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  i was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the lds church.

  i think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) the jws are bigger as a religious organisation.. (2) jw membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.. (3) wt is been honest with its counting.

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  Bear in mind that being counted as a member is widely different between the 2 faiths. Ok let’s say the activity rates for 9 mill publishers was at 50%. In other words only 1/2 could be bothered to turn up every Sunday.

  9mill x 50% = 4.5 million

  This is exactly the same as the Mormon count. I think this highlights the effectiveness of their proselytising, considering moronisms had a 50 year head start.

  What ever your opinion, there isn’t much separating the 2 faiths with regard to membership. It could also be argued as to the success of the preaching work. The results can’t be seen in the short term, but it has paid off I’m the long run.

  In my opinion this idea of the Mormon church been bigger, through doing less, and appearing less culty, just isn’t true. I think it may also testify to effectiveness of decades of preaching.
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  LDS statistics, by extension, may suggest that the JWs could be bigger with a more engaged membership.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the lds church.

  i think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) the jws are bigger as a religious organisation.. (2) jw membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.. (3) wt is been honest with its counting.

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  Finkelstein - Please you need to view that video before you speak.

  Wrong there are 1.2 million JWS in the US, there are 6.5 million Mormons in the US.
  

  This is true, but I don’t think you are understanding the methodology here. The 6.5 mill LDS figure is a maximum rather than a minimum figure. Although they identify as a Mormon is no indication of their involvement.

  The 1.2 JW figure is a minimum rather than a maximum in that it doesn't include the members children or interested ones.

  If you were wanting to get a truer comparison, it would be the number of temple recommend holders. These are full tithing, and practicing the tenants of the faith. This would be comparable to a publisher. Unfortunately the church dose not publish these numbers, and for good reason. i would suggest that the number of temple recommend holders would be significantly less than the 6.5 mill figure. What ever the case we will never know.

  Now this is where the maths kicks in.I apologise but I made a mistake about lds involvement being at 33%. This is not correct, as its 30%.

  6.5 mill lds x 30% = 1.9 million. Like I said above those willing to part with their money could be even less.

  Most census data would suggest that those identifying with the JWs is twice that of the publisher rate. I’ll be conservative here and say that it’s 50% higher.

  1.2 JW x 50% = 1.8 mill JW

  Weather you choose to accept the offical 1.2 jw or the 1.8 mill jw. They are certainly in competitive range of each other. When you consider the USA is in the home of Mormonism I think the JWs have done significantly well, Go out side the USA, and that is where the JWs dominate.

  Mormons have 15 million world wide.

  15 mill x 30% = 4.5 mill active lds

  JW service report 8 - 9 million publishers.

  There really is no argument.
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  LDS statistics, by extension, may suggest that the JWs could be bigger with a more engaged membership.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
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  i was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the lds church.

  i think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) the jws are bigger as a religious organisation.. (2) jw membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.. (3) wt is been honest with its counting.

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  joe134cd

  You think anyone is going to listen for hour about the Mormon growth rate in the last 20 years ?
  

  Well if you are going to blind your self to the facts of the matter. Or don’t have time for critical thinking. I’m sorry, but there isn’t really much else I can do for you. This maybe a result of your upbringing as a JW. IDK.

  JWS drop out of the organization meaning a poor retention rate.

  This could be true. That been said they are still do 100% better than the LDS, who are also losing significant numbers.
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  LDS statistics, by extension, may suggest that the JWs could be bigger with a more engaged membership.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the lds church.

  i think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) the jws are bigger as a religious organisation.. (2) jw membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.. (3) wt is been honest with its counting.

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  Can you name a religion that has a documented slow growth rate but proselytizes as much as the JWS do ?
  

  Put it this way Fienkelstein. If the above report is correct. The JWs would have twice the active membership of the LDS, and it took 50 less years to do it. That’s impressive by anyone’s standards. I would haste to say, a result of their proselytising methods.
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  LDS statistics, by extension, may suggest that the JWs could be bigger with a more engaged membership.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the lds church.

  i think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) the jws are bigger as a religious organisation.. (2) jw membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.. (3) wt is been honest with its counting.

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  joe134cd

  I got a news flash for you Joe .. many JWS do not attend all the Meetings every month.
  

  I don’t deny that either. This is quite controversial and goes against the thinking of many exmos and JWs. What I’m trying to establish is when you factor things in such as

  (1) The definition of a member and requirements there of.

  (2) The counting methods used

  (3) membership retention as opposed to involvement.

  (4) The LDS had a 50 year head start on the JWs. So, understandably they should be bigger. However, I would be brave enough to suggest that they have the same rates of activity.

  A very different picture begins to emerge. This idea of how badly the JWs have done despite their vast hours of preaching when compared to other religious competitors, may have to be reassessed. It could be suggested that they may of done comparatively well. I’ve suspected for a long time that the TBM and PIMI are similar in both camps. I really think you need to watch that You Tube video Finkelstein.
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  LDS statistics, by extension, may suggest that the JWs could be bigger with a more engaged membership.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the lds church.

  i think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) the jws are bigger as a religious organisation.. (2) jw membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.. (3) wt is been honest with its counting.

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  joe134cd

  bullshit

  In 2012, the National Council of Churches ranked the church as the fourth-largest Christian denominationin the United States,[8] with over 6.5 million members there as of January

  I don’t deny that statement. But what we are talking about is the activity rates of that 6.5 million. How many believe it enough, that at the very least turn up to church once a week. Ive always maintained there isn’t a lot of differences in numbers between the two faiths.

  For example, well go with the 33% activity rates. (6.5x 33%=) 2.14million LDS members in the USA. Let’s say the JWs at that time were 1million publishers. Of that 1 million there were a further 50% that were non members e.g children of members and interested people. Total of 1.5 attendees at jw meetings. I would suggest that 50% is been conservative ,and that it could be closer to 100% increase to that of publishers. What ever percentage figures you want to use, both totals are certainly with in, a ball park, range of each other.
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  LDS statistics, by extension, may suggest that the JWs could be bigger with a more engaged membership.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the lds church.

  i think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) the jws are bigger as a religious organisation.. (2) jw membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.. (3) wt is been honest with its counting.

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  joe134cd

  I was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the LDS church. I think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) The JWs are bigger as a religious organisation.

  (2) JW membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.

  (3) Wt is been honest with its counting. It’s counting methods may under estimate, rather than over estimate total.

  (3) From about the mid 90’s is when the LDS started to go into decline, and has been ever since. Umm, why dose that sound familiar.

  (4) Although the LDS growth has slowed. In that, it has failed to keep pace with world growth. The church is still treading water. It is sustainable, and it won’t die.

  (5) Contrary to what many may think here. This may support just how well the JW preaching work has been. For example, the difference between adult representation of the church, as opposed to teenagers. How, more people out on the street dose not necessarily equate to more converts. Its quality of the people representing the church, rather than quantity of representation.

  Enjoy peeps.

  https://youtu.be/x39yZCY3WGU