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  Prediction of Watchtower in a Few Years

  by Foolednomore in

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  2. friends

  kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.

  elders will play a much smaller role since csa.

  cart preaching will replace door to door.

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  joe134cd

  Disillusioned JW: I totally agree with you. The questioned raised was “ is watchtower cooking the books regarding membership number.

  With regard to Mexico and my country. There can only be two possibilities.

  (1) yes they are. In they are under reporting their membership. Well at least when compared to the LDS/ SDA.

  (2) As with the Mormon church, JWs are inflating the numbers. Having fewer number in the census that what the church officially stated would indicate an even bigger interest with the general public.

  I believe there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to believe the JWs are telling the truth.

  (1) all three religions (JWs, LDS,SDA) claim around the 20 million mark.

  (2) when comparing self identification in the census to church counts. The JWs seem to be pretty consistent, well at least as far as Mexico and my country go, and have done so for many years.

  If there was any hanky panky with Wt. Surly this would eventually have to show up in the census. Even if a person is a hardened atheist but still identifies as a jw.
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  Prediction of Watchtower in a Few Years

  by Foolednomore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.

  elders will play a much smaller role since csa.

  cart preaching will replace door to door.

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  joe134cd

  I have been to a number of different churches since leaving the JWs. From mainstream to some of the more colourful e.g iglasea ni Christo, Christian Science. Looking at things objectively, empty seats, and an ageing membership, is not something specific to the JWs.

  I hope you would watch the above link to Mormon stories podcast.

  All that I can say based on Mexico and the country I live in. Is that although it’s quite possible for Wt to lie, and I wouldn’t put it past them, the census doesn’t.
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  Prediction of Watchtower in a Few Years

  by Foolednomore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.

  elders will play a much smaller role since csa.

  cart preaching will replace door to door.

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  joe134cd

  Foolednomore: I totally disagree with you. Here is a link to a mormon perspective of membership numbers. It starts at the 1:38 mark.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4801405261447168/comparison-between-jws-lds-sda-mexico

  Some interesting statistics. The 2020 census for Mexico stated that there were 1503909 who identified as JW. That same year Watchtower claimed to have a membership of 864689. This report says the JWs have a 177% truthfulness in reporting its membership in Mexico. Compared 23% for the lds and 102% for the SDA. Another thing that isn’t mentioned is that all 3 religions seem to be with in a ball park figure of each other.

  I live in a wealthy western country, and the census figure has always been twice that of what watchtower reports. It’s been like that for decades. Although I can only report of 2 different countries, I have anecdotally heard similar reports from various other parts of the world. The point I’m trying to make is that if Wt were cooking the books with 3mill one would expect for this to be exposed in the census, and this is just not the case.

  Ok then let’s look at Mexico and my country from a different perspective, and let’s say Wt is cooking the books by 55% e.g 8mill is actually 3mill. Then that would indicate a huge interest by the public, and certainly room for growth. What option would you like to accept?
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  Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

  by EdenOne in

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  mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

  at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

  single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

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  joe134cd

  I notice no monetary assistance offered. I hope they don’t use this as a publicity stint. Please don’t let rubber face Lett onto the stage.
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  Prediction of Watchtower in a Few Years

  by Foolednomore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.

  elders will play a much smaller role since csa.

  cart preaching will replace door to door.

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  joe134cd

  Balaamsan2 interestingly I have attended a SDA church, and found it to be full of mainly older folk with a lot of empty seats.

  I’ve also attended a Christian Science church and found that to be even worse. There were only an handful of attendees in a church that once seated 100.

  Both church locations were what I would consider prime realestate.
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  Prediction of Watchtower in a Few Years

  by Foolednomore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.

  elders will play a much smaller role since csa.

  cart preaching will replace door to door.

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  joe134cd

  It wasn’t until I got onto apostate web sights that I fully realised the significance of the over lapping generation. That’s how asleep I was.
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  boners by fine JWs

  by enoughisenough in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as a jw, did you ever know of totally unchristian behavior ( boners) by some "fine" witnesses?

  i know of more than my fair share and will reveal some.

  an elder/pioneer kicked his elderly wife who had alzheimer's out.

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  joe134cd

  An elder who I thought was a shining example of spirituality. His kids turned out to be real rebbes after leaving home. I’m talking go to jail rebels here. Turns out years later that he was a real monster at home. Physically abused his family for years. Tbh I don’t know how the guy done it so successfully living 2 different lives with out anyone suspecting him
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  Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

  by EdenOne in

  1. social
  2. current

  mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

  at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

  single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

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  joe134cd

  This incident was on the news, in this country, tonight. Although I really feel sorry for the people who lost their lives. I can’t help but think how this will be spun by WT. My JW father is spinning it as persecution in the last days.

  I agree this will be a disaster for WT trying to convince people to return to the KH.
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  Shooting in Kingdom Hall in Germany

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64910415.

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  joe134cd

  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64910415
  
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  My fade story - how it all started

  by Gorb in

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  in the 90's my fading begun.

  it had a great impact on me, and took a lot of energy.

  later on it gave me a much better life, also for my wife and children.

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  joe134cd

  I’d be interested to see pictures of that JW political protest .