the opening chapter of dawkins "the god delusion" talks about some quotes of albert einstein taken out of context to imply that he believed in a traditional god or supported religious views of god.. i'm pretty sure i've read einstein quotes in the watchtower publications doing this exact thing - anyone else?.
The opening Chapter of Dawkins "The God Delusion" talks about some quotes of Albert Einstein taken out of context to imply that he believed in a traditional God or supported religious views of God.
I'm pretty sure I've read Einstein quotes in the Watchtower publications doing this exact thing - anyone else?
"faith is not a possession of all people.
" that's what the scripture says.
i guess i'm one of those people.
Faith = Delusion
Don't be jealous.
the so called celebrity jw's:.
prince, serina williams, terrance howard.. though you and i know they're 'token' jw's considering the life they live.
here's my plan - .
The so called celebrity JW's:
Prince, Serina Williams, Terrance Howard.
Though you and I know they're 'token' JW's considering the life they live.
Here's my plan -
Why not focus effort on getting the TATT to them?
Though they are not under the spell or control of the Watchtower Society, if they were to realise of the atrocities committed by the Society and that it is really a big mind control cult - then from their celebrity status platform they can really make some noise, and denounce the Watchtower - and chances are the rank and file JW's would at the very least pay attention to what they say - as there would be some major cog dis going on - these are not some shady, faceless apostates - these are the William Sisters, or Prince.
Celebrity apostates could make quite an impact on Rank and File and also to the general publics viewpoint as to what kind of religion the JW's are.
Target getting the TATT to just these couple of people and it may have a big knock on effect.
do you know anyone who has 'awakened' that went back to 'sleep'?.
i'm not talking about concious class, but someone who somehow got suckered back into the wts little game.. (i for one could never ever ever ever ever return - but interested if you've heard of people that have).
Yes, I could have gone back possibly (though doubtful) before I discovered ttatt. Now there's not a chance in hell - it makes me ill just considering it.
You can be a JW and stop being a JW. But you can't be an apostate and stop being an apostate. That's real truth.
(of course there are people like Gumby that go back for family - but are not suckered into the beliefs again persay)
do you know anyone who has 'awakened' that went back to 'sleep'?.
i'm not talking about concious class, but someone who somehow got suckered back into the wts little game.. (i for one could never ever ever ever ever return - but interested if you've heard of people that have).
Do you know anyone who has 'awakened' that went back to 'sleep'?
I'm not talking about concious class, but someone who somehow got suckered back into the WTS little game.
(I for one could never ever ever ever ever return - but interested if you've heard of people that have)
in another thread on the board, someone talked about their friend being a sniper in the marines and being very angry at the gb with thoughts of revenge.
it made me wonder - what would happen to the jws if in some strange turn of events, all the gb died at the same time?
how would they carry on if their leadership was snuffed out?
Persecution from the world is getting worse.
Haul out GB 3.0
Don't worry, the WT can put spin on anything.
small thing i noticed in the blanket un statement the society always says.. "when we realised this, we immediately withdrew our registration.
we are grateful that this matter was brought to our attention.".
they're grateful it was brought to their attention.. who are they grateful to?.
Actually, it reminds of the AAWA apology thing quite a bit.
small thing i noticed in the blanket un statement the society always says.. "when we realised this, we immediately withdrew our registration.
we are grateful that this matter was brought to our attention.".
they're grateful it was brought to their attention.. who are they grateful to?.
Small thing I noticed in the blanket UN statement the Society always says.
"When we realised this, we immediately withdrew our registration. We are grateful that this matter was brought to our attention."
They're grateful it was brought to their attention.
Who are they grateful to?
Exert from the Guardian article by Stephen Bates - "Disaffected members of the 6m-strong group, which has 130,000 followers in the UK, have accused the Witnesses' elderly governing body of hypocrisy in secretly accepting links with an organisation that they continue to denounce in apocalyptic terms."
Disaffected members - aka - apostates, brought it to their attention.
Funny that...
When I loving try bringing to their attention other areas that are confilcting with their own beliefs they don't seem to be all that grateful.
or the 2000's generation thing?.
how did you feel?
how did it help you wake up?
I was nine at the time but I rememeber as a kid being at a convention when this new light broke - I used to do the maths and think "cool armageddon must be here soon if all we have to do is wait for these old guys to died out." I asked my mother to explain this new light to me.
She tried, but I didn't quite get it at the time (in fact I never really did). But I do rememeber feeling a huge sense of disappointment that they had changed the goalposts and Armageddon wasn't as close as I thought.
Though most of my JW life can be a bit of foggy blur sometimes - there are moments of clarity that still stand out to me. This was one of them.
hi guys,.
i'm after some info to show the hypocracy of the gb being a ngo with the un.
some thing along this vein:.
Hi guys,
I'm after some info to show the hypocracy of the GB being a NGO with the UN. Some thing along this vein:
“In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. He is not simply paying for something he receives, such as when buying things being sold to the public at a store. (Compare 1 Corinthians 8:10; 10:25.) Nor is his membership merely an entry pass, as when a person buys a theater ticket. Membership means that one has become an integral part of this organization founded with definite religious objectives, including the promotion of interfaith . Hence, for one of Jehovah's Witnesses to become a member of such a so-called "Christian" association would amount to apostasy . Some individuals have on occasion not become members but have paid a onetime admission fee, viewing this as simply paying for a commercial service available. Even in this regard it is wise to consider whether this course will adversely affect the consciences of others. —1 Cor. 8:11-13."
This really hits it on the head, (especially the last sentence) but I wanted something as obscure as this that would possibly make me not look apostate. Does that make sense? The YMCA thing is the goto quote to highlight the hypocracy - the most obvious one, as most Rank and File wouldn't be stumbling across articles form 1979.
If you guys know of anything please let me know.
I was thinking along the lines of for example - I turned down work if it in some obscure way involved my associating with the kinds of organizations that the society condemned (didn't have to be a church, but if it were a building in some way related to a church). Though I don't know if this was a doctrine or just a between the lines type of thing.
Thanks!
