Welcome, JJW.
Are words the absolute truth? Are words about a tree, a tree? Are words about food, food? Are words about you, the actual and real truth of you? So why, would words contain any truth about God?
Thanks for the words.
j
will you react with prejudice when faced with "absolute truth?
sometimes, an irrefutable "truth" can be spoken.
and yet, this statement or fact of "truth" can be glossed over or dismissed or not recognized by the community at large, because of preconceived ideas taught us and engrained in us, from our previous upbringing or training.
Welcome, JJW.
Are words the absolute truth? Are words about a tree, a tree? Are words about food, food? Are words about you, the actual and real truth of you? So why, would words contain any truth about God?
Thanks for the words.
j
john 20:30-31
30 to be sure, jesus performed many other signs also before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll.
31 but these have been written down that you may believe that jesus is the christ the son of god, and that, because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.
Shazard:
God in Christ died for ALL not for some men.
If ALL, honestly and truly means ALL, if there are no conditions or stipulations, then what's the problem with not accepting Jesus? It becomes a moot point, doesn't it?
Perhaps, the problem is this, Shazzard and Ross:
It seems childishly simple as to what this means: Believe in me, accept me, or you're very screwed. Imagine a firefighter entering a burning building and before he helps anyone to safty he demands to be honored as their mighty savior. It doesn't happen; all that can be saved are saved because all that matters is bringing the unfortunate to safety. There's no self-serving need for ego boost or self aggrandizement; as found in the needy and limited Bible god.
So, is man, in some ways, more psychologically healthy and morally sound than God? Or is it that the Bible god is an extremely limited and diminutive concept? My bet is on the latter, that it is our miserly interpretations and anthropomorphic images which are lacking. Certainly, the true Source of an INFINITE universe is vastly more than the familiar little man-gods described within the pages of a book. This does not mean we are not free to embrace a shrunken idea of god which we can hold in our minds and cherish. However, the cost of such may be it blinds us to what is infinitely more. It may numb us to That which truly unites us one and all, rather than divide us and motivate enmity.
Please know that I am not attempting to offend or belittle anyone here; it is our beliefs which I find lacking and harmful. We are not our beliefs.
j
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slim
Is a "socket puppet", an electric variety?
that despite my sincere efforts of sincerity and honesty that most who interacted with me were rather uptight and rude.
i really dont understand it.
forgive my babbling.
Jehovahs-witnesss discussion forum.co EVERYONE welcome! I have felt nothing but unwelcomed!
Welcome, agapa.
It's not that you are unwelcome, it's just that many here do not believe as you do is all; and there is little patronizing here. At first, understandably, this can be a bit disconcerting.
As has been mentioned, please don't take it personally. Be patient with us. You just got here and the water may seem too hot, but after awhile it gets comfortably warm and cozy. This is a great group of people who honestly and openly say what they believe and feel, and who will be here for you if you really need them.
Glad you joined us. We need more Christians to save us. No, really.
j
john 20:30-31
30 to be sure, jesus performed many other signs also before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll.
31 but these have been written down that you may believe that jesus is the christ the son of god, and that, because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.
Rooster:
"YOU are mistaken, because YOU know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God;
No, I am not mistaken. It is unquestionably, undeniably and unequivocally clear within my heart of hearts that I can not honestly, truly and sincerely accept and worship a concept of a god that is in many ways less than most people; just because a "holy" book tells me to. There are many people who have given their life to save strangers, and many more who will (you may be one); yet, your idea of God is so morally small and limited as to demand payment of acceptance and honor before it acts. Do you think, Rooster, that it is more likely God who is truly so limited and inadequate, or mans religious beliefs which are lacking?
Rooster, it may help to stop eating the menu, and instead feast upon the food (we're having chicken). Take your head out of your Bible and step into the reality of life in and around you, and discover the unending Source of your own (and all) being and existence
j
john 20:30-31
30 to be sure, jesus performed many other signs also before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll.
31 but these have been written down that you may believe that jesus is the christ the son of god, and that, because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.
Yes, it's simple for me.
"believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing... YOU may have life by means of his name. "
This simple statement implies what? What if I don't believe, then what? If I don't have "life", as stated above, then it must be the other thing -- death.
Personally, I can not honestly and with a true heart, honor and believe in a deity that will kill me if I do not. I can not honor, worship and believe in a god with morals lower than my own. It's simple. I just can't do it.
j
for all of you non-religionists out there: do you consider yourself an agnostic or atheist, and why?
it seems many ex-jws that "loose the faith" have a tendency to go straight for atheism.
i myself, would consider myself more of an agnostic, as i believe we have no real way of knowing if there is a god one way or the other, and it tends to seem just as extreme to me, to insist that there is not one.
Am I an agnostic or atheist?
Am I philosophical concepts, mental constructs, beliefs and ideas?
What am I, really?
j
my first post out of the box was "what is a dub?
matt.
(shamless self promoter class) .
Welcome, IP.
A dub, is what you rub, in the tub.
As I recall, I found my dub at a very young age.
j
i came across an interesting site the other day and below is an extract from one of its web pages (does anyone know if the following is actually true as i've never read the quran?).
no wonder so many muslim men wear baggy trousers, it's to hide the erection they get when they look heavenwards!.
what i don't understand is what's in it for the women?
Black Sheep:
I don't prefer drinking my wine out of a cup, but other than that it sounds pretty good Ian.
Yes, I'm concerned about the cup thing, as well.
j
having been one of jehovah's witnesses for the better part of fourteen years and then having left the organization after having discovered the watchtower society's involve- ment with the united nations has left me second guessing myself.
often times, i ask myself why?-why?
did i not listen to my "gut feelings" when i held certain doubts about the organization?
Welcome, wanderer.
Following is a great article which may help you understand: