following the fun of the recent evolution v designed designer discussion we knocked some ideas about infinity around in the office starting with the above question.. clearly the answer is no but is it?
does infinite then presuppose an infinite universe to contain the infinite oranges and boxes but then how can you have two infinite sets in the same space?
now this is possible if you contain each orange in a box (make the oranges a set within the box - literally!
If "infinite" as no limit, then where does the "box" or "orange" begin and/or end? Are they not just a phenomenal manifestation of Infinity?
In other words: there is only the wholeness of the Wave; and it is merely within mental interpretation that particles (separate and isolated objects) appear to exist.
There is no box. There is no orange. There is no problem. Of course in the limited mind's abstract world, this answer is unacceptable. Oh well. There is no mind.
j
are you doing this because you hate me?
i know i'm not the best person you've ever created so are you doing this to her because you are angry at me?
why are you so cruel?
c.l.
(James) Are those your own words?
I did not copy them, if that's what you mean. It's more from experience, and a heartfelt sense of what dear Lola is going through.
That said, they are not different from what my teacher as said (when words are used). I have one teacher with many faces; be it person, cat, wind or tree; and more importantly -- the face of the absence of all faces.
j
are you doing this because you hate me?
i know i'm not the best person you've ever created so are you doing this to her because you are angry at me?
why are you so cruel?
Dearest ((Lola)),
May I suggest that you allow moments throughout the day and night to enter completely into the living presence of pain and sorrow. Leave all thoughts and rationalizations behind. Go into the immediate, silent, raw-energy of the feelings. Openly meet with them without any masking, without any story, and without any embellishment from the mind at all. If thoughts occur, do not fight them, just be still, see them and allow them to pass as you return to open and silent meeting.
Within such inner surrender there is an opportunity to discover -- at your most intimate center of self -- the unmoving and indescribable pristine purity which witnesses all emotion, feelings and universe. An opportunity to undeniably realize the unbound conscious awareness which you truly are; which your beloved sister truly is. In this Oneness, there is no separation. In this pristine and untouched Oneness, all births and deaths unfold. In this Oneness you are your sister, and she is you, forever unbroken by time, space and circumstance.
j
i noticed that many who post here have kind of thrown the "baby out with the bathwater", when it comes to the bible and god.. i understand that there is a fine line between love and hate.
maybe they blame god for the deception.
maybe they don't trust anything to do with god any more.
Whyizit,
I understood from the beginning you meant no harm or understood what your words were conveying.
Remember the story of how Jesus got angry at the people selling little trinkets in the temple. Well, sometimes, not always, but sometimes when I see a Christian attempting to convey (purposely or unconsciously) that belief in their tiny little deity is the only thing meaningful when it comes to GOD (the ultimate Significance) I start pushing over tables too.
Hope I didn't break any of your stuff.
j
there have been a lot of christian threads lately, so i thought that i would open a topic for other journeys.
because there is no way i will ever be a christian again because the curtain has been opened and i can see behind it, however i have an open mind and have started some meditation practices.
i have been thinking about visiting a buddhist temple out of curiosity.
What are your Non-Christian journeys?
Why journey at all? What truth is not already present, that we feel we must travel to? It is truth, which we are after, is it not?
So what is true? First it may help to watch the mind and see that ALL of it's interpritations, labels, beliefs, ideas and concepts are only mental abstracts, and not the actual reality we seek. In other words: if it can be thought or spoken, it's not it. Not the absolute truth and actuality we seek. So, what is?
Right here, right now, there is at our most immediate and intimate center an indefinable, unthinkable and unspeakable conscious beingness and aliveness. It is here, this pool of truth, that all sense of existence, self and universe revolve around. Leave the mind and all its interpritations and go deeper here. Right here. Right now. No need to journey afar. No need for beliefs. No need for religion. No need to learn or earn anything. No need for anything other than what you already are at the core...already. It's about seeing. Consciousness realizing the pristine purity and untouchable vastness of Itself. Who/what, are you, really?
Be still, and know...
j
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qja5fazf1a8.
it`s a classical piece arranged for electric guitar (pachelbels canon).
it`s one of the best guitar-performances i`ve ever seen.
i noticed that many who post here have kind of thrown the "baby out with the bathwater", when it comes to the bible and god.. i understand that there is a fine line between love and hate.
maybe they blame god for the deception.
maybe they don't trust anything to do with god any more.
I noticed that many who post here have kind of thrown the "baby out with the bathwater", when it comes to the Bible and God.... I know that there are many former JWs who love God and have embraced Christianity.
This self righteous attitude that only Christians own God is nauseating.
What has no beginning and no end can not be owned or shrunk to fit into a dogma. If you think you have some special ownership which makes you special, you have done nothing but engrave a tiny mental image and placed it on a nonexistent throne within your feeble imagination.
It's one thing to cherish and relish certain beliefs; it's quite another to fool yourself into thinking your beliefs have the power to shrink and circumscribe God.
j
He has a nice tan.
j
i was wonderin' how you guys see the conspiracy of the trade center demolition and the attack on the pentagon?
it has been well established now some years later that there must have been detonation devices lining the elevator shafts of the three trade towers that collapsed.
after 1 and 2 fell, no one really ever questioned the way that 3rd one fell in the same manner (pancake collapse style, as a controlled demolition goes).
Freetosee:
Personally I have not made up my mind and am not in a hurry to do so.
Good for you. To open minded people like yourself, Free, I would say that what people call "9/11 conspiracy theorists" are really just people questioning the official conspiracy theory of 19 Arab men performing alone. You may find evidence that requires a far more thorough and unhindered investigation than we have had so far. Actually the lies and omissions within the official investigations as it has been presented is evidence in itself for a real, honest and complete investigation.
I have found that, generally, If we look at individual aspects we can naturally come up with different reason for them, and before long find our self in a confusing mess. It may help to step back and attempt to get a bigger picture of things. A coherency which may give new understanding and meaning to what seemed before as merely chaotic and unrelated events. Connecting the dots may be more rewarding than studying one or two dots. Or not.
The documentary which is free on Google and has been posted in this thread already: 9/11: Press For Truth, may be a pretty good place to start. Also study of Paul Thompson's Cooperative research website which lays-out the complete 9/11 time-line: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
Also the 29 page PDF document: Intersecting Facts and Theories on 9/11 (click on it), has a many year span of things and reveals a big picture which gives new meaning to many of the before confusing events.
Good luck. I feel that there are many more like you here who are open to investigation, but do not post as they have little desire to be insulted. It's understandably more comfortable to accept the official story and retain a sense of status quo, than to have your rug of reality pulled out from under you. My heart goes out to those who allow themselves an open and honest investigation of all the information; because it can be extremely saddening and emotionally trying.
I just want to see open, honest and thorough investigations of all evidence.
j
does god need worship and love from other entities?
it seems so by the way he made intelligent creatures.
if they are to be accepted as his children they must conform to his designated way of life and thinking.
The mind creates ideas of what the word G-O-D points to; and along with that comes a huge amount of beliefs, questions and dilemmas.
Notice how these god-ideas present themselves as some thing or object separate from the foundational and intimate sense of being and existing. Notice how these god-ideas are but a small foggy fragment compared to the crystalline vibrancy of life and being's infinite expression. Why create gods so small or any at all? Why do we so easily accept ancient and archaic myths of tiny deities as having something to do with reality? Perhaps we have forgotten how to be actually present with Life, and so make up things to take it's place.
There is the shallow mental-interpretation of reality, which is a huge step removed from actual-reality: Reality as it actually IS. Perhaps what really IS, is what the word G-O-D points to. That, which has no beginning and no end. That, which all existence and universes reside as and in.
This begs the question, what does this make us? Are we the shallow mental stories and mental interpretations we believe "ourselves" to be? Or is our foundational reality and Identity -- endless. Who/what are we, really? What is it that actually sees all that is believed to be?
Perhaps when this one question is answered, there will be no more questions about God. Perhaps the purity, peace and wholeness we so desperately seek, is what we really are.
What really looks out our eyes?
j
