BTW, I am also re-enlisting after a medical discharge. I am making the decision to go back in, injured, knowing that I can be shipped out more than once.
Just in case someone felt like questioning why I was no longer serving.
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My Son is Going Back to Iraq for his Second Tour
by Miata inand i am so angry about it.
he leaves on the 29th of january and will be gone for 15 months.
i am so scared that if i think about it for too long, i have panic attacks that leave me breathless and immobilize me.
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My Son is Going Back to Iraq for his Second Tour
by Miata inand i am so angry about it.
he leaves on the 29th of january and will be gone for 15 months.
i am so scared that if i think about it for too long, i have panic attacks that leave me breathless and immobilize me.
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I served (U.S. Army), my best friend is going back to the desert on Monday for the 4th time. My father served 3 tours in Vietnam and I believe he did a stint in Korea. My grandfather served for over 30 years. I know of which I speak. Do you?
[quote] How in the hell can they make our boys go again after they make it home once already? And Bush says that there is not a draft but they have extended my son and all the troups time by calling it an "involuntary extension of time" when in fact it is just a draft. They are drafting them for more time. [/quote]
This is what my comments are being directed to.
How in the hell can they make our boys go again after they make it home once already?
Quite easy, they give them orders. In a moral standpoint? They soldier who has been been given such an order is to comply unless he can present a compelling and truthful case to his C.O., or if he so chooses, the AG. If neither is satisfied with his case, he is still required to go. Failure to do so will violate the USCMJ and he will be looking at prison time. He signed the contract, he has to go.
A situation which was not easily predicted given the norms of enlistment (regardless of the fine print).
Not true in the least. During basic training and every day after graduation, they pound it in your head that every day you put that uniform on, it can be your last day alive. You know full well of the possibility of being called into war, even having to stay there for over a year if need be. You may not expect it to be the reality that you may have to go more than once... but you sure as hell know that its a possibility.
And Bush says that there is not a draft but they have extended my son and all the troups time by calling it an "involuntary extension of time" when in fact it is just a draft. They are drafting them for more time.
I have already adressed that and I wont again.
I can understand her frustration, I can understand her venting it, but at the same time... the anger needs to be vented in the right direction. Its easy to blame something that cannot speak up for itself, something that cannot answer the question she has.
If she wants detailed answers as to why all this happened, I suggest she speak with either the C.O of the base, armory, or whereever he is stationed. If not the C.O, the Chaplain, or the AG are all good people to talk to who can provide real answers.
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My Son is Going Back to Iraq for his Second Tour
by Miata inand i am so angry about it.
he leaves on the 29th of january and will be gone for 15 months.
i am so scared that if i think about it for too long, i have panic attacks that leave me breathless and immobilize me.
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biscious - so the original poster of a thread of this nature should be allowed to say absolutly anything they want all the while talking all sorts of negativity in regards to a person, organization, religion, or whatever their anger or hurt is directed at and we are to say nothing?
While it is regretable that her son has to go again, HE made the decision to sign the papers and join the military. Noone forced him to do so. HE needs to deal with the decision he made, the blame does not need to be shifted to anyone else.
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JWD "clusters" - name one ;-)
by Pole inthis is fluff stuff.
you must have noticed posters on many threads tend to come in clusters.
whenever one of the members of the "cluster" starts a thread, another few are very likely to post on his/her thread.
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IP_Sec... you have PM regarding bandwith mang. :D
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My Son is Going Back to Iraq for his Second Tour
by Miata inand i am so angry about it.
he leaves on the 29th of january and will be gone for 15 months.
i am so scared that if i think about it for too long, i have panic attacks that leave me breathless and immobilize me.
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[quote]"involuntary extension of time" when in fact it is just a draft. They are drafting them for more time.[/quote]
Again, I will express my symapthies to you and your son.
Unfortunately though, as I stated in another thread... I believe written by you as well. In his military contract, they can at any time extend his contract if they feel it is necessary. Not only that, but if your son was serving in active duty, he still has 2 years left AFTER his active duty time is over in which they can call him up and he HAS to go. It is called the inactive Reserve.
The military at the moment has implemented what is called a stop loss. They are basically activationg that 2 year inactive reserve period on all enlisted personel.
When your son originaly signed that contract, he agreed to those terms. He simply now has to comply with what he signed. Is it sad that he has to go back over-seas? Yes... it is regretable. Is it his duty and is he legally bound to do so? Yes.
As for Joyz and FBF, honestly now. LW simply posted an obvious point. The initial posts slams the govt and Bush for making these decisions. Should not her son also be held accountable for the decisions that he made, such as joining the military and signing on the dotted line without reading or perhaps understanding what all it entailed?
LW was not being attacking in any way shape or form. She expressed her sympathies and made a blunt but true comment.
This is an open forum for discussion after all. "To ensure all users feel safe and keen to participate".
I dont see where she violated that policy in the least. When a thread like this comes up, should we simply express condolances and hold our tounge? Some times people need a reality check.
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My Son is Going Back to Iraq for his Second Tour
by Miata inand i am so angry about it.
he leaves on the 29th of january and will be gone for 15 months.
i am so scared that if i think about it for too long, i have panic attacks that leave me breathless and immobilize me.
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Best of luck to him and I hope he comes back to you safe and sound.
Little Witch - Spot on.
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Pathetic Analogy:JWs=Bush;Apostates=Michael Moore
by Swan ini thought i would share this pathetic post that car781 posted over on the michael jackson subject on the vh1 message board.
i almost posted it under humour.
all this jehovah's witness bashing.
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Apostates=Michael Moore
I am seriously deeply insulted to be lumped in with that nonsencical dumb ass piece of shiat.
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car chase by elders at age 11
by ashtheflash inhello there i would like to tell a story that will shock you.
this is how it all started... my sister at 19 was planning to marry a brother into the kingdom hall, she was not yet baptized so she was trying to keep her marriage plans a secret.
a couple of weeks from her marriage the elders of the congretation found out and contacted my mother whom we were still living with.
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The Yellow Rose Of Texas
by Englishman inseems to be lots of songs about texas.
even us uneducated english wallahs know them.. so.... is there a song about every state in the union?.
what are they called?
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There was a band named Kansas... does that count?
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Anyone like me where you still believe in MOST of their doctrines?
by inquirer inlike i don't like that un involvment, record keeping.
i don't know what to think about the paedophile stuff, because you could accuse the catholic church of that too.
but apart from those things i still believe that god's name is jehovah, his son is jesus, no trinity, and he died on a torture stake... i love reading the new world translation, i believe it's the best one, but i love reading other translations too!
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Like I don't like that UN involvment, record keeping.
* Good... I dont much care for it either. :D
I don't know what to think about the paedophile stuff, because you could accuse the Catholic church of that too.
* Is the Catholic church really the measuring stick you want to put your ideal religion up against anyways?
You can make up your own mind based on the merits of the case that is before you. Talk to some of the people here who have first hand experience of what its like to be an abused child within that organization. Also, visit www.silentlambs.org for some good information that has been collected from all over the world. I think you might be surprised as to how extensive this problem is within the WTBTS as well as how they provide a fertile breeding ground for abusers.
But apart from those things I still believe that God's name is Jehovah, his son is Jesus, no trinity, and he died on a torture stake.
* I used to really believe that it was a huge point of contention as to what Jesus was killed on. Was it a cross or a tourture stake. In all honesty, does it really matter as long as he provided the neccesary sacrifice? I think that arguing about what he died on is drawing away importance from the more important thing. That he died at all.
I won't say anything to take away or argue your belief in what god's name is. I honestly dont think he would blink twice if you called him mac or joe, its just more important that you have a relationship with him at all. As for the trinity, I'm not even sure what to believe so we shall leave it at that. :D
I love reading the New World Translation, I believe it's the best one, but I love reading other translations too!
* I am personally very leery about the NWT. For just one simple example, look at John 1:1 in the NWT, then in every other version you can get your hands on. Do you spot the big differance? Its only one letter. NWT - And the word was *a* god Pretty much EVERY other version - And the word was God.
That is a huge difference mate. Changes the meaning of the entire scripture. There are tons more like that. Someone with a better knowledge of the bible than I can point you to more.
I believe that you are suppose to preach and then you don't see others doing it, except for Mormons and a few other kinds, but then again they believe in Joseph Smith and the cross (The Society did offer proof in my opinion anyway.)
* You would actually be surprised as to how many people do actually preach. It may not be door to door work like the Witnesses and the Mormons do, but their message gets across no less. Keep in mind that the command to go home by home in two's was simply the most effective way to spread a message back in those days. With the advent of the internet, tv, telephone, fax, and such, there is little reason to preach in that manner. *Quote from Oh Brother Where Art Thou* "Where not one at a timin here... We're mass communicatin!"
But I don't think they Have "love," and they are a bit cold blodded and superficial when they ask about you. It's a bit like what this guy said in this group if that Adrian Smith didn't rejoin Iron Maiden with Bruce, Bruce wouldn't have ever came back to the group. Well, that's how I feel about the JW's. If they got rid of records, and fixed up this "2 Witness policy" I would join them back. And if they "cleaned out the paedophiles" from the congregation. But as I said I don't know much about this because I see other Churches... yeah said it before...
* Again, you have to make up your own mind based on the case presented before you. I am glad to see that your concience would not allow you to continue being a member unless some major changes were to take place. Chances are slim that anything will change drastically any time soon.
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