ok folks, if you live in the province of ontario, it should come as no surprise to you: we have a provincial election going on, and a very important one too.
thursday, october 2, 2003 is our provincial election.
here's some information that may be useful: .
I guess I am in the minority and am voting Blue. I like the Liberals for some of their social stances but the Tories are fiscally the most responsible with a focus on job development/creation and bringing business to the Province.
It will be an interesting and very close election imo.
Uzzah
i think the decision by the judge to force vicki to pay the society's legal fees even though she won the case is just fundamentally unfair.
this lady was hurt by her father and the society obviously did something that at the very, very, least was not helpful in her case.
it would seem to me that if the jws really are the christians they claim to be, that they would not be seeking to send this legal bill to someone who has already been through so much.
Dorky:
In the court decision handed down, Her Honor said that if the parties could not resolve costs, they should bring the issue back to her.
In the Society's submission (a 1 1/2" volume) regarding costs they demanded full compensation of costs from the inception of the matter. The judge only allowed costs incurred after 2001.
The Society had the opportunity to do the right thing. They didn't. They went for the jugular instead.
Uzzah
i forwarded the press release to my jw friend yesterday afternoon and we talked about later that evening when i saw her.
i could see that she was confused and somewhat bewildered.
she first wanted to know more details about the case itself and when i supplied them, she became even more confused.
Overall, the money that they won (which will probably never be collected in full) will be more than offset by the money that they lose from these absent members.
Thus the reason for this part in the Press Release
People don?t donate money to the Witnesses so they can turn around and attack, retaliate and intimidate survivors of childhood sexual abuse inside the court system."
- a not so sutle suggestion about how people can show their distain for the Borg:
PEOPLE!!! Don't donate money to the Witnesses!!!
Uzzah
i forwarded the press release to my jw friend yesterday afternoon and we talked about later that evening when i saw her.
i could see that she was confused and somewhat bewildered.
she first wanted to know more details about the case itself and when i supplied them, she became even more confused.
If they doubt the validity of the press release and the parties mentioned, this might be one further nail that can be used.
Get them to perform a search on the WT CD Library for the name of the researcher mentioned in the press release.
They will find an experience on the back page of the May 8th, 1994 Awake involving this researcher calling him a "Modern Day Good Samaritan"
It may add credibility to the quotes used in the press release in the eyes of an active witness.
Uzzah
i have some unique and troubling news.
i just got off the telephone with scott boer, vicki boer's husband and before that vicki.
her honour, justice anne molloy, has just ruled on the legal cost issue in the boer case.
Settlement offers cannot be brought out in the court case. Once the judge rules, then they are brought to the attention of the judge in deciding costs.
But as the post that Hawkaw made shows the judge does have discretionary powers that she failed to use.
Uzzah
i think the decision by the judge to force vicki to pay the society's legal fees even though she won the case is just fundamentally unfair.
this lady was hurt by her father and the society obviously did something that at the very, very, least was not helpful in her case.
it would seem to me that if the jws really are the christians they claim to be, that they would not be seeking to send this legal bill to someone who has already been through so much.
Scully:
Good point! I also don't think Jesus would have asked Larry Curly and Moe (untrained men) to handle a forced meeting between a victim of abuse and the abuser.
Even the person who was "just a secretary" (per John Burns) in legal when testifying in Vicki's trial knew of the potential psychological damage of such meetings.
And that person isn't even God's appointed channel on earth and they could figure it out, why hasn't the Watchtower figured it out yet?
if you'd be interested in donating $us10.00 or anything at all to a campaign fund for vicki please say so here.
this will help determine how strongly we can offer vicki support.. i'll start it off.
i'm willing to donate $us10.00 to the fund.. thanks.. dansk
As a reminder, let's not forget some of the victories that were won in this battle. The following is a link to the discussion here about the decision and the valuable language that is now part of the law here in Canada.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/54590/1.ashx
Some of the legal precedents in the Boer decision will be invaluable for future cases, whether in custody or child welfare.
Why the judge would rule this way after writing such a great legal decision is beyond me. But there are some victories in all of this. The vile part is they are earned at Vicki's expense.
Watch out Watch tower, karmas (fate kismet) a bitch.
Uzzah
this is just horrible.
woman who won $5,000 in a sex abuse suit against church must pay legal costsa woman who won $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of sexual abuse has been ordered to pay the group $142,000 to cover its legal costs.
justice anne molloy ruled monday that vicki boer has to pay legal costs to the watch tower bible and tract society of canada back to the year 2001 even though she won the case.
Sunshine,
If a bad decision, useless lawyer and a rich corporation led to a bad court decision being made in Sparta Kentucky, would I be justified in condemning the entire United States?
I understand your anger at the miscarriage of justice and the hurt on Vicki. But let's keep things in perspective and in focus.
Uzzah
i think the decision by the judge to force vicki to pay the society's legal fees even though she won the case is just fundamentally unfair.
this lady was hurt by her father and the society obviously did something that at the very, very, least was not helpful in her case.
it would seem to me that if the jws really are the christians they claim to be, that they would not be seeking to send this legal bill to someone who has already been through so much.
Sword:
You can play the role of victim if you like but remember this 'wonderful Society' was willing to pay $54,000 to Vicki to shut her up.
This doesn't sound like the act of an innocent group.
get this harsh ruling to the media...pronto!!
go to your search engine and enter newspapers....it'll give you a ton of 'em....start clicking, emailing them a copied and pasted version of the canadian justice's decision against vicki boer in her case....get the word out....also, do the same regarding the tv news media...cnn, larry king, 20/20, 60 mins., 48 hrs., etc.....flood them with emails.... .
frannie b
For contact information to send along with the Press release please use SilentLambs, Bill Bowen
or for Canadian press contacts feel free to pm Scully, Lady Lee or Hawkaw or myself for this info since most don't want this personal information posted on a public board.
You can reach me at Uzzah1998 @ hotmail.com (without all the blank spaces)
Uzzah
