Posts by Jen2013

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Who is Jehovah

by Jaime l de Aragon in

the term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.

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Jen2013

But the guys of the Watchtower Company indoctrinated you, the Witnesses, with their own self-invented conspiracy theory. And you, the Witnesses, play their game. You keep this Watchtower conspiracy alive and you support it actively. You are successfully indoctrinated by the Watchtower Company just to support their fantasies, which obviously get them a lot of money.

Go and look this conspiracy up. It is in The Watchtower, September 1, 1987, page 20: "The United Nations is actually a worldly confederacy against Jehovah God and his dedicated Witnesses on earth. It is really a conspiracy, with the worldly nations getting their heads together and scheming up what they may do against the visible organization of Jehovah God on earth...".

This conspiracy is all over their literature. It just a game. It's the game they play with you. They tricked you into believing this conspiracy by using mind control and they make a lot of money out of it.

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Who is Jehovah

by Jaime l de Aragon in

the term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.

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Jen2013

Has this anything to do with the Awake! magazine of July 2010? In that magazine the sign of the tetragrammaton above the article "God’s Name Being Made Known!"was replaced by another sign, which can be easily confused with "666". Again, the guys of the Watchtower Company love their own fantasy. They should be known as "the new Lightbringer" because they love to bring new light.

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YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W

by *lost* in

god's real name and identity yhvh.

yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .

can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??

Jen2013

Here you are *lost*:

I just found a German page, that also investigates manipulations in translating the Bible. In this case the manipulations of the New World Translation of the Watchtower Society:
http://www.jesus-offline.de/fehler-in-der-neuen-welt-uebersetzung.51.html#Roemer-der-Name-des-Herrn-der-Name-Jehovas

The page also found out about the most obvious manipulation of the Watchtower to adjust the Bible to its doctrine, but there are many more.
It is good to know, that there are lots of people out there who investigate the Watchtower, not only Witnesses and exWitnesses do that.

(A)

Romans 10, 13: πας γαρ ?ος αν επικαλεσηται το ονομα κυριου σωθησεται
(information: κυριου = Lord; genitive case)

Romans 10, 13: King James Version translates:
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10, 13: New World Translation of the Watchtower translates:
For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.

(B)

Romans 10, 9: ?οτι εαν ?ομολογητης | εν το στοματι σου | κυριον Ιησουν ... σοθηση
(information: κυριον = Lord; accusative case)

Romans 10, 9: King James Version translates:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, (...), thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10, 9: New World Translation of the Watchtower translates:
For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, (...), you will be saved.

Conclusion: In the first place, in Romans 10, 9 the Watchtower translated the Greek word for "Lord" correct. Just a few lines later, in Romans 10, 13 they were not able to translate the same Greek word correct anymore? Apparently the Watchtower did this manipulation on purpose. If they knew the correct translation in Romans 10, 9 they should have been able to remember it a few lines later, as there still is the same Greek word to be translated. But the guys of the Watchtower Company loves their own fantasy, I know.

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Jen2013

I just found a German page, that also investigates manipulations in translating the Bible. In this case the manipulations of the New World Translation of the Watchtower Society:
http://www.jesus-offline.de/fehler-in-der-neuen-welt-uebersetzung.51.html#Roemer-der-Name-des-Herrn-der-Name-Jehovas

The page also found out about the most obvious manipulation of the Watchtower to adjust the Bible to its doctrine, but there are many more.
It is good to know, that there are lots of people out there who investigate the Watchtower, not only Witnesses and exWitnesses do that.

(A)

Romans 10, 13: πας γαρ ?ος αν επικαλεσηται το ονομα κυριου σωθησεται
(information: κυριου = Lord; genitive case)

Romans 10, 13: King James Version translates:
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10, 13: New World Translation of the Watchtower translates:
For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.

(B)

Romans 10, 9: ?οτι εαν ?ομολογητης | εν το στοματι σου | κυριον Ιησουν ... σοθηση
(information: κυριον = Lord; accusative case)

Romans 10, 9: King James Version translates:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, (...), thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10, 9: New World Translation of the Watchtower translates:
For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, (...), you will be saved.

By the way, does anyone know something about the move of the Watchtower Company? When will that happen and what is it good for? Is there a special thread where I can get more information?
I think it would be much better if the Watchtower would build nursing and retirement homes and give the Witnesses something back for all their work and efforts. They've done and donated a lot. They deserve to be treaten better. If there is enough time for the Watchtower Company left to move and build new company buildings, than there is also enough time left to build some retirement homes for the old ones. If their fantasy-god spares new company buildings in the fantasy-war, I am convinced it'll spare retirement and nursing homes too, because after the fantasy-war is over, there is no need for company buildings anymore, so why spend all that donations on company buildings instead of family, social, retirement and nursing homes.

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Jen2013

Thank you Gojira, I really appreciate all the efforts ex-JWs take on. I am a non-believer for a long time. It might be, that I always was one. But there were times I searched and hoped to find a shoulder to lean on, but my thinking always ended in asking too many questions about the unholy Bible and most of the time I came to the conclusion: "No. This is ridiculous." "No. This is a lie". "No. This is not logical." "No. This is inhuman." "No. I don't accept this because of inhumanity." "No. If this or that is God or Jesus, than, sorry guys, I prefer to go with my head held high, right into hell." Today, I don't believe in evolution, I am certain of it.
But I was forced to live as a JW from age 4 or 5 to about age 13. Honestly, I really no nothing about that time. There is a black hole in my mind. After age 13 or 14 I started to live as a normal teenager likes to live and - just to please my mother - attended the meetings at the Kingdom Hall from time to time. I accepted to spend one or two hours with private bible studies with different JWs (also one of the 144.000, one you likes to control people, one you likes to rule with Jesus from above) at home until age 21 - just to please my mother of course. Then I quit being obedient and moved out, got married. It never ever came to my mind to become a Witness of this cruel invention called "Jehovah". I really don't like and don't promote this ancient picture of a god. The moment people accept death as part of life or just as the end of life, there is no need of a god and I am absolutely certain that almost all people are good people without a god. What we really need to live a good life is water, food, a home, a family and social life, jobs and tasks appropriate to our gifts and science and medicine to manage our health problems. This is what we have to work on. We can invent as many gods as we can imagine, but these god-fantasies do not solve our problems or get our lives better. Yes, there is an alternative to inventing god-fantasies that don't work. It is called humanism.

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Jen2013

It is also very likely that the god Jahveh was just a volcano, which ancient people worshipped. Lately we had some documentaries on TV about that issue and I found also this interesting blog: http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.de/2011/11/list-of-biblical-verses-that-suggest.html

What drives me almost crazy is, that one single bozo (was it Rutherford or who was it?), one single bozo invented a doctrine that no blood transfusions are allowed and by that forced already thousands of gullible people, kids and even unborn to die. Obeying an invented doctrine, having to refuse life-saving blood transfusions and having to die as martyr just to please a supposable ancient volcano-god called Jahveh (or Jehova or whatever), which illiterate ancient desert nomads made up and worshipped, is so insane, disgusting, detestable and absolutely intolerable and in my opinion a crime against humanity.

Looking at the cover of the May 22, 1994 Awake! magazine makes me cry.

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Are you a new viewer of this forum?

by punkofnice in

i'd be interested to hear from you.. i know at first there is the paranoia that the elders will find you out if you have a user id here.

i only believe this is the case if you leave your pc in plain sight unattended, give out your password, tell someone what you are 'researching'or give your real name and location in a thread or gravatar.. cut to the chase.. what brought you here?.

anyone here because of the new 'generation' 'new light'?.

Jen2013

Yes hello, I am new and I am German. And I don't like watchtowers. Watchtowers remind me of people imprisoning and killing people. No, I don't like the Watchtower.

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Jen2013

Gojira_101 has also mentioned the blood transfusion. If I was an ex-Jehovahs Witness I would probably do whatever can be done to get people out of the cult. Especially those you were talked into the cult by Witnesses who later became ex-Witnesses. It must be such a burden. By the way, who of the "Lightbringers" is responsible for this doctrine and how many people had to die, since this "new light doctrine" came out? If a court would investigate this "new light doctrine" could it be, that the whole "channel" has to go to prison, or could it be that the Watchtower Society runs out of money within a second, or both? To talk people even kids into refusing blood transfusion is disgusting and detestable.

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Jen2013

Thank you *lost*. Too sad. Without a reference as evidence to that claim I cannot use it. But let me get back to Watchtower 2/15/90 page 25 where you can find "Jah" as subliminal. Well, less sub, more obvious. Could be meant as abbreviation to Jahveh. Just a guess. "Jah" is part of a monster face in this Watchtower. Probably meant to frighten.

107

HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Jen2013

Thank you Gojira_101 for your interesting post. As I do have some questions, I had to register to this forum. On the online bibleserver I couldn't find the reference to your comment "anyone calling on the name of Jehovah will be saved" so I replaced Jehovah with the Lord and got to Romans 10, 13. As I do not have a "New World"-Translation of the Bibel I went to jw.org. It is good that they put all their books and magazines online. It makes it very easy to compare and to find all their mistakes and misinterpretations. A few posts later Newly Enligtened gave more interesting answers. But one thing is not clear yet. Gojira_101 could you please give me the reference to the Watchtower where they themselves admitted that Jehovah is not God's name. Can I find it online? I always thought - don't know why - that English speaking Jehovas Witnesses use also "Jah" as abbreviation of their God. Long time ago I stumbled over the subliminals in their literature. Do you know of the Watchtower 2/15/90 page 25? What does "Jah" really stand for?

The Watchtower.2/15/90.pg.25.