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  I will never hear from her again

  by berylblue in

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  a few days ago, i tracked down the only semi-real friend i had as a witness.

  i called her at work and left a message.

  she emailed me back, and seemed amenable to talking even though i am df.. she made a comment, "come back to jah.

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  kat_newmas

  Just an outside opinion, nothing more: It seems that in dealing with my father, who is a dedicated JW, and with whom I am trying to re-establish communications after twenty years..... I have tried so many times... where did I go wrong?... I think, that I should have left those issues you mentioned at the doorstep... at least for a short time. If they feel that you are "attacking" the whole.... then they will become defensive, you will be considered a threat. In your friends mind, you are truly an apostate.... it is the same as being charged with Heresy.

  Try again with her shortly.... show her kindness, and love, and do not judge her.... try to remember that she is only there in the first place, because she has a desire to express "goodness and faith in god". She alone is not responsible for the actions of the Man-made structure. Remember that they are kept ignorant of what is really going on. Dont let religion be an issue when trying to establish a communication... focus on your friendship first. Express to her your faith and belief in God, later.

  It is perhaps in this way, that many of us will recover our family and friends, that have been taken. My father is an elder.... but after twenty years, I have begun to establish some communication with him... slowly.... I am careful not to be condescending or confrontational.... Attacking them... only makes them defensive. Give your friend some time, she will have to feel something eventually.... If she was ever your friend... she will have to admit to herself that she is purposely shunning you, because of a list of rules. That in itself, is a step in the right direction. Perhaps she will begin to question those who make those rules.
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  attention apostasy sucks.

  by MOLHIE-NIGG in

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  2. beliefs

  oh after my last posts i had great fun reading the response's that were posted.

  i am just trying to figure out what is wrong with you people, your'e response's are predictable and indeed amusing in many cases.

  the first hint a someone defending and apparently being a jw and the 3 camps come out of the woodwork with their charm and tact to help a the poor jw realize the truth for what it is.

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  kat_newmas

  MN.... if you are really a JW.... then YOU are the kind that most people on this site feel.... a NEED to defend themselves against. I think most of the visitors to this site, find some good in JW's or they wouldn't bother.... others have family members, being held away from them, at the hands of your peers. But you.... are the best example of the judgement and intolerance, that they display. Everything must be absolute with those of your kind.

  No one here will dispute the power that your religous structure has obtained. That power is respected and feared by many. It is the reason that most of us are no longer a part of that. By your post... I can tell you are just a youngun'.... you have much to learn about humanity, and how to interact with them... you have even more to learn about fear, guilt, and shame.... but you just stick with what you are doing, and that lesson will soon follow.

  In the short time that I have been on this site... I have observed far more healing.... than bashing going on. It seems that no one here is trying to change the other's belief or path.... This is a place of honesty, and venting, and sharing of pain. You only shame it with your prescence. There are those here, who would be in a lot worse shape... if they had not found this site. Myself included.

  Now run along and see if you can find a good place to plug that microphone into. That should keep you busy for a while........yes, I know .... Iggy the troll...... heck... just delete this post. lol
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  My Letter to the Elders in My Late Father's Congregation

  by cruzanheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  well, guys, here it is.

  it's going in the mail tomorrow.

  it's for me but, dad, it's also for you.

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  kat_newmas

  I enjoyed your letter, and deeply sympathize with this situation. It is a horrible thing... the guilt, fear, and judgement, that has become so rampant.

  It would be truly unwise to expect any true remorse from these elders. I know it had to feel "good" to tell them how you feel, and at least express to them that they HAVE taken a great responsibility.... to claim to know what is right for another man..... Time somebody held them to that responsibility. But, I am afraid you will not find any sincere remorse..... In their eyes, they are "appointed" by the Dweller of the Heavens, they have yet to accept responsibility for the pain they have caused.

  Just know that in "death" your father does not suffer from guilt or shame. He is not being subjected to taunting or torment. He is in a state of change and growth now... for what lies ahead. That which you call "heaven" only begins to describe, the .... pure energy....that he will become. Death is not an end, it is a beginning.... do not grieve for him, but for your own loss. No list of rules or doctrines can change the great cycle of life, that wich we are all apart of. I will think of you and your father in my prayers.

  I hope you accomplish something with the letter.... it was articulate and to the point. If every member of this site did something like that.... perhaps it would at least make somebody up there in NY, think about how they effect peoples lives. Good luck
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  Does God define "right and wrong" or is there an intrinsic 'good' ?

  by Simon in

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  2. beliefs

  i don't personally believe in a 'god' but i wonder for those who do .... is there an intrinsic "right and wrong" or moral code that would exist whether or not there was a god?.

  to put it another way, is what we believe is "right or wrong" based on whatever god decides is right or wrong (ie.

  he set's the standard) or is it an intrinisc thing that he also must adhere to in order to be thought of as 'good'.. if god has to adhere and go along with some intrinsic value system then does this effect any claims to be omnipotent and always good?

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  not right and wrong... more like cruel and loving. harsh and mild. The dweller of the heavens is much the same as the world he created. There is a cycle of life in wich everything is a part of. What is Good? What is Bad? Everything has an equal opposite. The universe is divided by masculine and feminine, light and dark, seen and unseen. Morality... is entirely a human concept. Mostly used to control others.
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  Theme Songs for Leaving the WTS

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is an edited version of a favorite of mine:.

  with apologies to the eagles .

  already gone well, i heard some people talkin' just the other day and they said you were gonna put me on a shelf but let me tell you i got some news for you and you'll soon find out it's true and then you'll have to eat your crap all by yourself 'cause i'm already gone and i'm feelin' strong i will sing this vict'ry song, woo, hoo,hoo,woo,hoo,hoo

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  kat_newmas

  Metallica.... "Sanitarium" Although "King Nothing" brings them to mind.... "And the walls crash down! and you break your crown! and you point your finger but there's no one around... King Nothing"

  nuff said
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  Hi Everyone! I'm homeless now!

  by Yizuman in

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  2. friends

  i just arrived there yesterday afternoon where my bro-in-law dropped me off.

  my first night's sleep wasn't exactly eventful since there is no beds available and i have to sleep on the pews which my body doesn't exactly agree with hard wood and no cushion on it.

  so i didn't sleep very well.

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  kat_newmas

  Good luck... dont be so defensive.. people are going to check out your story, before they offer you help. It is how you react to that, that may effect the kind of help you get.

  I grew up on the streets... literally, after leaving this religion. I was an adult by the time I slept in a bed again, an adult. I used to sleep on the roof-tops of fast food joints to avoid being raped. I have slept under school busses in the snow...

  but it is what you learn from the experience that can make you a strong person. It sounds weird... but I kinda miss those days... not really , but it is how I grew up... my roots I guess. I was able to learn so much about "the human condition" . I believe it is why I am a successfull artist now.

  Hang in there.... heck! you are in a good position to just "see" things. Your schedule certainly permits for a few walks alone in the park or the woods.... look around man.... SEE the world. You might be surprised. Learn from it. Feed on it. Protect yourself.

  Be safe man, my thoughts are with you. That DOES matter.
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  Let's Say Some POSITIVE Things About The Organization Or Being a JW

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  since we're accused by some of being so negative about jehovah's witnesses, let's start a thread regarding some positive things about being a witness or believing in the organization.

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  kat_newmas

  I have never denied the fact, that as a child I was exposed to a great spiritual surrounding. I was given an appreciation for the beauty of creation, and life in general.

  It was only that I could not say "we believe" that caused the problem. At 8 and 9 years old I had developed enough spiritual awareness to know that I could not "shun" a man because he had broken some list of rules.

  I saw much good in the belief system and structure.... but as with anything man-made, you will have faults. No one "truth" can be stretched to fit every mans personal beliefs.

  I have considered giving them "limited access" to my own child's spiritual developement. When he has reached an age of understanding. Some of the structure of their beliefs have worthy lessons that children should be taught. But as with anything.... you just dont turn your child loose, and unnattended with them. I could not expose my child to the guilt and shame and judgement...... so access will be very supervised.
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  A JW Belief I still hold on to

  by ApagaLaLuz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all this talk of wwiii has really got to me to thinking.

  i still hold strong beliefs against world divisions.

  the belief that the jws teach of a world-wide unity is one that still apeals to me very much.

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  kat_newmas

  This board is a perfect example , that one man's belief cannot be stretched to fit all. If you say "we believe" in something.... then you include all the other members beliefs in that statement. What each of you are doing here is saying "I believe". It is ok, that each of you have different beliefs and opinions.

  I have stated before that I dont bash JW's. I just knew at a very early age that I could not say "We believe you should shun this man, because he has broken a list of rules"..... because I could not justify that belief in my conceince. If you go to some of their web-sites... you will see that they state, in simple terms 1. 2. 3. 4. a list of what "we believe".
  There, lies my concern..... I dont even have a problem with telling others about God, and going house to house... if that is what you are really doing..... What they do, is a system of visits and return visits, until the person finally states what "we believe" and is fully accepted into the ..... collective? Belief becomes irrelevant.... only stating lists of rules, and dates, and doctrines to perfection, become the focus. If one man has his own belief, then that person is shunned as "hypocrite". Free thinking is never acceptable unless the Governing Body of Elders say so.

  I have seen alot of you jokingly refer to them as "the borg".... I went back and watched some trek.... you are not very far from the truth..... However.... Resistance is NOT futile.

  just my opinion (what I believe)
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  Poor Putty Cat

  by JH in

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  2. friends

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  someone sent me this funny picture, and i wanted to share.. .

  poor pussy will freeze her ...... .

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  kat_newmas

  Now that is how men with short hair look to me.
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  this is going beyond a joke what do you think?

  by nelly1 in

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  2. friends

  i was talking to a witness who is still in and she said they gave a talk at the hall, about submissive wives and were told that if the husband wants to go somewhere for the holiday and the wife want to go somewhere else she will need to be respectful and do what the husband wants.

  and she can go on her prefered choice of holiday the following year...... .

  the husband is to make all major decisions such as where they will .

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  kat_newmas

  If the elders would lear the joys of cunnilingus.... they would not have to "make" her do anything.

  Besides.. to me that whole "honor and obey" crap is just another male attempt to dominate his surroundings. My wife and I are equals in our marriage. King James could never had gotten any... if he couldnt say : "God said you have to do it with me"

  I could not ever imagine "sleeping" with my wife, and her not WANTING to. I would really feel like some kind of sicko, twisted rapist.... If I had to convince my wife that it was her "duty" to sleep with me. Where is the joy in sex that you MUST have ,,,, because it is your duty. Not to be graphic.... but I usually find that I am concentrated on her pleasure..... and from that.... I recieve tremendous rewards.

  But for all you single guys out there.... that whole bit with the "duty" thing really does work on some women... so if you are desperate or something... hey, go for it I guess. Just avoid mirrors for a while... you may not like what you see.