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  Calling all Aussies...

  by TheApostleAK in

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  i'm looking for all aussies on here...in particular south aussies.

  if you know anyone who's an aussie on jw.com, the other jw discussion boards or the net, pass on my email to them.

  i'm thinking about setting up an aussie apostate state/national convention one day.. where's all the aussies gone since last time i used to come one here all the time.....prisca, uncle bruce etc etc.

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  BLISSISIGNORANCE

  hi ya..................another aussie here. between sydney and melbourne.

  cheers, bliss
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  Dubs who shun those not DFed/DAed who fade

  by gumby in

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  lately i have been reading alot about those who cease the dub life, and though they are not officially dfed or daed, are treated as though they are by dub family and friends.

  when i was a dub , i remember viewing those who did not come to meeting's anymore nor field service......as simply "weak" or inactive.

  never do i remember shunning or snubbing those who seemed to fade away.

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  Hubby and I are faders............yet we are shunned by most, even my closest friend who knew all about our situation. So many dubs are aware of the fact that my kid was abused yet they shun us. It's almost as if they are freaked out and find it too hard to know how to talk to us.

  How's this for double standards.........when I was df'ed by a corrupt jc, a sister who was a good 'friend' of mine and knew about the crap that went on, would shun me 100% at the shops or in the mall yet associated with her son who was a dub and living with a girlfriend in another city!

  The inconsistencies in the borg and by individuals drove me insane.........OMG!

  Bliss
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  Since JWs Never Helped Anyone But Themselves, What Do You Do 4 People?

  by minimus in

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  we, as witnesses were taught to believe that our giving the "truth" to people was the most important gift we could give!

  forget about giving money to charities or helping any other group out----we needed to give them the "real life".

  do you find yourself giving back to the community or to others now that you're out?

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  I have stopped giving people crap at the door...................now I give my kids unconditional love and time. I give my friends whatever I can, without judgement, I give to charities, and I have plans for the future to help drug and alcohol groups.

  Cheers, Bliss
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  Can they be excused, in all honesty????

  by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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  2. beliefs

  over the period of time i have been posting on this forum i have noticed how differently we feel about the borg and dubs.

  i guess our point of view is based on our own particular situation and experiences, our upbringing, our culture, our gender, our relationships etc.

  but i think i can safely say that we all agree on one point, that the borg is a corrupt, greedy, hypocritical, dishonest, controlling, unloving, brain-washing cult!

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  BLISSISIGNORANCE

  Over the period of time I have been posting on this forum I have noticed how differently we feel about the borg and dubs. I guess our point of view is based on our own particular situation and experiences, our upbringing, our culture, our gender, our relationships etc. But I think I can safely say that we all agree on one point, that the borg is a corrupt, greedy, hypocritical, dishonest, controlling, unloving, brain-washing cult! Right?

  I have read some posts suggesting that it's the leaders, the GB, the elders, the ignorance, the brain-washing etc, that is to blame for the bad stuff, the hurt, the abuse in the WTS. That most dubs individually are nice, caring, gentle, trusting, misdirected souls.

  Well, I beg to differ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  I wasn't raised a dub so I don't have the strong emotional attatchment to family, friends and memories. I came in as a 30 yo single mother with 3 little kids. I believed the paradise earth teaching, the global family, the resurrection of the dead, the brotherly love, family unity, doing good, etc. While I believed that, I was zealous in the faith. But many things became apparent to me as soon as I got baptised, too many to mention but for eg.........the lack of sincere love except when the CO visited, after the initial love bombing before baptism!!!!! the bitching and gossiping, the sexist and racist attitudes blah, blah, blah.

  But something awful happened and the truth about the WTS and dubs became clear. You all know about my child being sexually abused by a dub, the perp being protected, other kids at risk, I warn mothers and then get df'ed to keep my mouth shut. So that experience showed me how the BORG (the ones taking the lead and directing the organization) is corrupt, unloving and deceiptful......more concerned about it's public image and reputation rather than the protection of innocent children and justice being meeted out to those who hurt them. OK, that's how I see the borg.

  The whole sexual abuse experience also gave me the opportunity to see what kind of people INDIVIDUAL dubs are. My 'friends'?, who spent endless hours with me and my children, who saw my pain and sadness, who saw my child forced to tolerate the abuser at meetings, who saw how unjust and unloving the elders were, who agreed that things were done wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'Friends'?????? No, couldn't be. What friends tell you that they must stop associating with you because you make them think and question their faith which is already shakey? What friends abandon you just because you cannot preach something that you now know not to be true???? What nice, caring, gentle, trusting people expect you to tolerate something wrong just because it happened in the borg, YET preach to others at the door to leave their faith for the very same thing?

  I truely believe that the BORG can only succeed because they have the support of the INDIVIDUALS. How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS shun a 'sister' who has not been df'ed or da'ed just because her child was abused and the right thing was NOT done by their leaders? How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS see news reports and documentaries with young brothers and sisters crying and suffering as they tell of their nightmares at the hands of a dub abuser???? How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS put an organization before the life of a loved one???? How can nice, caring, gentle, trusting INDIVIDUALS hide behind an organization when they choose to be judgemental and self-righteouss????

  We have all suffered in some way when we left the borg. We made a decision for whatever reason. We decided that no matter what, we couldn't live the lie anymore. Yet there are many who, even after seeing the facts, will stick with the WTS. I believe it's for selfish reasons, for their own security and future investment, no matter at what expense.

  I really cannot say there is 1 dub I know of that would be INDIVIDUAL enough to stand up for ANY truth that conflicts with the WTS's truth!!!!!!!! I cannot excuse them for choosing to stick with the borg, I cannot excuse their conduct by saying they are poor, naive, gullible, uneducated, humble people. I just can't!

  Well, that's my opinion and I hope I haven't offended anyone in writing this.

  Cheers, Bliss
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  ITALY!

  by altom in

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  please can anyone put me in touch with any italian ex-witnesses living in italy?

  i speak italian.

  thanks!

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  BLISSISIGNORANCE

  Hey altom.....................nice to hear from you.

  I wish i was in italy, we could meet for coffee. but ho hum, no, i'm in australia.

  If you happen to find some x dubs please let me know or get them on this forum. i'ld love to have contact with some being italian myself.

  So are you italian too? PM me if you like, i'ld love to exchange stories etc.

  Cheers, Bliss
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  Do you have anger issues because of mistreatment by JW's?

  by LyinEyes in

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  i have been reading the thead on jw suicide the last two days and i have to admit, i am boiling mad, angry, and literally have thoughts of wanting to put my hands around some of the jw's who have abused so many......lol!!!!!!!

  i realize this is not at all funny, but i do laugh at how i let this get to me to the point of fantazing of slapping some of the "higher than thou" jw's i have ran across in my life and those whom some of you decribed.

  i read scully's story and wanted to choak the ones who did not pass her the emblems at the memorial.. i get so mad when i read how some of the jw's want to pass judgement on the one's who have committed suicide , saying they will not be resurrected.

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  LyinEyes.............good post!

  Anger...........ah yes! When I hear that word it reminds me of how people are constantly trying to tell us to get rid of it because it's bad for us etc. I don't agree that anger is a bad emotion, it's just another, real emotion that needs acknowledgment and respect. It's how we deal with it that's important. It is healthy to express what we feel, within reason. Why should we freely express only the happy emotions.......then smother the shhhh<<<<anger! When I discuss somethig on this forum, it usually has to do with something the WTS (individuals or as a collective) has hurt me with. FACT: I have been hurt by the wts, badly! WHY? Because I went in trusting and believing, then I got screwed! That hurt has led to anger. I would be a moron if I wasn't angry at

  • my child being abused by a dub
  • my subsequent unfair df'ing to silence me
  • the WTS's 'true' way of dealing with sexual abuse......not what they say or write it to be!
  • the pedophile's continued activities with children at meetings.

  My hurt=anger has motivated me to take certain actions which MAY help others.

  When the elder at my jc told me that my anger toward the pedophile was what led me, like Cain, to commit a sin which lead to my df'ing.......I realized then that I was dealing with evil. He was happy to put a guilt trip on me because of my more than justified feelings. He totally disrespected my emotions. The wts came first, always! And the pedophile got the support and protection.

  And that brings me to my final point. There are some 'new' ones on this forum who are obviously still associating with the wts. They bring with them the same quality of the above mentioned elder. A quality of disrespect for peoples' hurt. When they defend the wts to me, when they reprove my actions, when they tell me to get over my anger, when they make me feel like I have to justify my actions to them..........that makes me angry all over again. I actually think they come here to push buttons.

  So yes, I can get angry about certain things. I'm not known as an angry person but rather a positive, happy, funny one. But under all that there is hurt and anger. If the lid is taken off it will surface. How dare some take the lid off then tell you to not be angry. Sorry, if someone pushes the anger buttons they must then accept my emotion just as much as my happy one. I'm not violent or abusive in my anger but I do pour the guts out!

  Cheers, Bliss (the happy one)
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  Why Would Anyone Defend Jehovah's Witnesses??????????

  by minimus in

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  every so often, i will read on this board, how some people will defend and apologize for what jws do or believe in.....i just don't get it.

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  Possibly because of family ties, not having been hurt enough, or even because of sub consciously fearing displeasing god.(grieving the spirit)

  I personally get irritated when I hear defensive discussions about dubs because usually it's personal opinion based on emotion.

  I will never defend dubs, I won't persecute them either, but I NEVER apologise for them! Where were they for all those kids that needed defending? Oh, they were busy defending the borg's name and image! They are soooo proud of it.

  When I was first in the borg I couldn't believe the things that were being said by some witnesss about df'ed or inactive people. The venom and animocity from some JWs mouths was horrible. And to be discussing it with others was nothing more than gossip and slander. I use to walk away thinking, 'why take it personally? After all it's god they've upset not you.' They said they were telling me so I would keep away from them. Talk about causing divisions. Now that I am friends with some of the slandered, it's interesting to hear the other side!

  I often read how people on this forum don't think most dubs are bad etc, and that's fair enough, not all are. But when I associated with dubs I have to say, I heard alot of hateful words toward other religions, non-witnesses and ones that had left the fold. And I came from the 'world' and saw some pretty awful stuff, but this was a real eye opener for me. Especially after having this religion presented to me as god's visible, united, loving organization..........yeh, right! A real spiritual paradise.

  I'm not a hateful person, not before or after the borg. But let's not kid ourselves about witnesses. I have met alot of very jealous, ambitious, proud, arrogant, controlling, hypocritical and critical people in the borg. Oh yes, I agree, they are everywhere those sort of people! But for a small group of people I found alot of negative energy at ever Kingdom hall I went too. I think people are kidding themselves in believing that dubs are just warm, fuzzy people.

  They would never defend you and I, even if we left for good reasons, the very reasons dubs would use to convince poeple to leave their church for!!!!!!!

  So why would I defend THEM???????? There is nothing to defend. Children need defending not dubs!

  Cheers, Bliss
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  Hello Everyone . . .(Questions)

  by Frobrisher in

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  this is my first post here, though i have been browsing these forums over the last week for more than a few hours.

  in the interest of full discloser, well as much as anyone would on a public forum, i?ll tell you about me.

  i was raised as a witness, and have no real horror stories to tell.

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  Do you think it?s healthy to be bound together in hatred?

  hate

  \Hate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Hated; p. pr. & pr. & vb. n. Hating.] [OE. haten, hatien, AS. hatian; akin to OS. hatan, hat?n to be hostile to, D. haten to hate, OHG. hazz?n, hazz?n, G. hassen, Icel. & Sw. hata, Dan. hade, Goth. hatan, hatian. ???. Cf. Hate, n., Heinous.] 1. To have a great aversion to, with a strong desire that evil should befall the person toward whom the feeling is directed; to dislike intensely; to detest; as, to hate one's enemies; to hate hypocrisy.
  Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer. --1 John iii. 15.

  Dear Frobisher, firstly, welcome, secondly, your are quite presumptious in saying we are bound together in hatred. Most of us here are bound together by suffering at the hands of the WTS. You may want to split hairs in saying, 'it wasn't the GB or WTS that hurt you, it was an individual elder, co, sister, jc, brother, blah, blah........'. Fact is the WTS claims the 6 million members are god's people.......when it suits. Yet it very quickly disowns the individual when he/she brings reproach on the WTS and makes it look bad. Every active JW is representative of the organization it names itself as a member of. Fact is the top dogs know what is going on, they know who the good elders are, and who the bad ones are. That is what the co goes around to do, check how the congos are going. Why should intelligent, thinking people stay in an organization that allows and promotes power hungry, ego maniac, women hating men to take their frustrations out on them???? Then it's turned around and the people that leave are accused of being unspiritual/non-believing people, slandered for not being VICTIMS anymore. I cannot speak for everyone here but for myself...........what I hate is the WTS's hypocricy, the way they abused (hated) us, their brothers, and that makes them our enemies. I also hate how some get pleasure out of tormenting people who are trying to find peace after enough suffering. Your manner of reproof disguised as an intellectual discussion smells so strongly like when the elders were trying to force me and my family (including my abused child) to LOVE the pedophile who abused my child and accept him because he only did it once. Being told to do this while the pedo would smirk and stare my terrified child out at the meetings was like being sexually abused and violated over and over again. Day in, day out. Having you try to defend the WTS to me while judging and condeming me is like abuse. You should repect what we have all been through and keep YOUR opinions about OUR feelings based on experiences WE had, to YOURSELF!!!!!!

  Do you think it?s healthy to perpetuate yourselves as victims?

  Main Entry: per·pet·u·ate
  Pronunciation: p&r-'pe-ch&-"wAt
  Function: transitive verb
  Inflected Forms: -at·ed; -at·ing
  : to preserve or make available (testimony) for later use at a trial by means of deposition esp. when the evidence so gathered would be otherwise unavailable or lost

  vic·tim ( P ) Pronunciation Key (v
  n.

  1. One who is harmed or killed by another: a victim of a mugging.
  2. A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
  3. One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, circumstance, agency, or condition: victims of war.
  4. A person who suffers injury, loss, or death as a result of a voluntary undertaking: You are a victim of your own scheming.
  5. A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of: the victim of a cruel hoax.

  You are so insensitive and cruel............and assuming! typical JW thinking, feeling and reasoning. Let's get one thing straight. We are NOT victims here. We are SURVIVORS and I'm proud to be associated with the wonderful people on this forum who have had to endure much just because of the religion they were involved in! Many here have lost family and friends, mostly not by choice but by rules put into place by unloving men who prefer to follow the letter of the law rather than extend mercy.

  if the ?truth? wasn?t for you, then you were free to leave

  This is BS and I think you know it.

  It seems that you try to villianize the JW?s for your disfellowshipping and the subsequence shunning that comes from former JW friends and your JW family members.

  I am NOT df'ed but I do get shunned. Why? Because I make too many JWs think. I upset their state of denial. They know that my child was abused but they prefer to pretend it didn't happen and avoid me. Hey, I'm happy. They bore me anyway.

  I have had the df'ing experience and I KNOW and can swear on a ton of bibles, with Jehovah as my witness that there is MUCH corruption amongst the elders. My child was sexually abused, I informed the authorities, the pedo confessed, the elders assured the authorities they would monitor and counsel the pedo, the elders told me not to tell anyone, only they were to know, the pedo went to social gatherings and played with kids, some of the mothers said they were concerned about the pedo playing with their kids, i warned them, the elders had to shut me up, they got 2 sisters to go as witnesses against me quoting something i said, which i didn't, I got df'ed for slander and the pedo laughed at me and my kid. The elders helped to keep the pedos reputation safe, while kicking me out. Oh, and my child never got a visit, a smile, or even a greeting from the elders, transparent to them! Villans???????? My god, that's to good to call them villains.

  What upsets me is that most of us on this forum are shunned from people we would love to spend time with just because they are JWs. We therefore come here for fellowship and trust people with our deepest emotions. Then we STILL get brow beaten by 'indecisive ones' like yourself. If people like you and GDT love the WTS and it's rules, FINE, but DO NOT COME HERE DEFENDING IT TO ME, making me have to explain and justify my stand. Who are you that we need to explain ourselves to you? And when we answer it's still not good enough. I don't mean to talk for everyone else, but I feel strongly about having a safe haven for myself, away from the Jehovah's Witnesses and their preaching!!!!!!

  I get the feeling that you should maybe go back to the WTS because your thinking and reasoning is well programmed. I really don't mean to be rude, judgemental, or shun you. But what is your purpose in coming here, really, and why don't you want to go back to the WTS????

  JWs, leaving things like sexual abuse to Jehovah, is proof they are like fanatical cults saying that if god wills the child will live even without surgery,medicine, etc. Leave a child at home alone and if god wills it won't hurt itself, get electricuted, drown, eat poison etc. It's irresponsible and gutless.

  Anyhow..........we should all go where we belong. I belong here with my friends. Where do you belong?

  Cheers, Bliss
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  How do we protect the abuser?

  by ???? in

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  so many of you keep posting in this forum that we protect the abuser not the abused.

  is this true?

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  BLISSISIGNORANCE

  Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, i don't think i'm going to share my privelaged information of sexual abuse of my child with this poster. i doubt my feelings would receive the respect they deserve. and i couldn't handle listening to any more wts apologists, disregarding my personal experience.

  sorry ???????? but you seem like someone who would push my buttons.
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  New to forum

  by ast370 in

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  i'm new to this forum, i find it very informative.

  my wife and i grew up as jw's.

  i got disfellowshiped sixteen years ago [one of the best things that ever happened to me] and my wife left at the same time.

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  BLISSISIGNORANCE

  Welcome and enjoy.......................this place has helped me alot and I have made some good friends, you'll love it.

  Cheers, Bliss