Posts by BLISSISIGNORANCE

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What urged YOU to join the cult?

by gydja in

i am just curious now...i was wondering, if you are not born into the jw organization, why did you join in?

what was it that interested you most?

why did you accept to study the bible?

BLISSISIGNORANCE

Well, I was married to an alcoholic. That's a good reason to join the jws LOL. Seriously, I always thought about god, even as a little girl. The idea of going to heaven never made sense or appealed to me. I loved the idea of family unity, hospitality and knowing more about the scriptures, and also living a life god would approve of. My mother became a JW several years earlier than me, and I guess in a way I always trusted her and her intuitions. She had some influence over me but it was my decision ultimately to becoming a JW.

I was in a terrible marriage, emotionally I was a mess and I felt fearful for mine and my kids future. When I studied and it caused huge problems with my hubby, of course the jws told me it was all because satan was putting pressure on me to stop studying etc and that jehovah would allow the persecution as it would make me strong and prove my loyalty to him.

At that point in my life nothing was happy, positive, trust worthy, worthwhile or enjoyable.............except for the love the jws were showing me, the interest they showed me and my kids, and of course the scriptures that suck all of us in...........paradise earth, no more wickedness,crying, death etc.

My hubby committed adultery and I was free...........well, free from him. I had not yet worked out I had become a slave to the WTS.

The rest is history.............baptised, married a jw bro. (the best thing about being in the borg), kid sexually abused, I got df'd for talking, got reinstated, saw the light and left..................with my entire family. Happy ending.

In short, the happy, happy, joy, joy from the scriptures, the fake demonstration of love, the short lived interest of others, the self-righteousness you're told to feel good about, the attention I got from all the bros. when I first came in, the hope of living forever...........................that's what urged me. NOW I know better.

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Does anyone know of an elder that actually helped a sexual abuse survivor?

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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friends

there are soooooooo many victims (although i prefer to use the word: survivor) of sexual abuse coming out of the borg and telling their horrible stories, including my own family.

i have read stories that made me feel either angry, frustrated, revolted, furious.............but they all made me feel sad.. in every story it seems that the wts, elders and jws in general have let the child and/or family down.

from my own personal experience i can say that the elders in the congregation where my child was abused didn't do anything to protect other kids, and certainly didn't show love and support for my child or our family.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

There are soooooooo many victims (although I prefer to use the word: survivor) of sexual abuse coming out of the borg and telling their horrible stories, including my own family. I have read stories that made me feel either angry, frustrated, revolted, furious.............but they all made me feel sad.

In every story it seems that the WTS, elders and JWs in general have let the child and/or family down. From my own personal experience I can say that the elders in the congregation where my child was abused didn't do anything to protect other kids, and certainly didn't show love and support for my child or our family. This showed me that their hearts and minds were not healthy. They were more concerned about protecting the borg's name and reputation than feeling a natural desire to love and comfort the child. So much so that they DF'd me just to shut me up, which caused my child severe distress and anxiety.

Well, for a long time I thought I was a rare case and that this way of dealing with this crime was not common place in the borg. But my husband, who had many doubts of his own which were compounded by our family's treatment, introduced me to 'silent lambs'. I spent much time reading experiences, the more I read the more I realised I couldn't be a part of this organization.

For a long time I tried to look for the good in the organization and the people who made it up. I kept going to meetings etc. but I came to the conclusion that most JWs are not healthy one way or another. One elder who I respect and consider a kind man, probably the best elder I've ever known, could not show support for us, it's the WTS that is defended all the time.

Even when the media aired stories which exposed the extent of the problem amongst the JWs, people who I considered friends and good elders, who knew my case, still put the WTS before our family and particularly our child. Of all the stories and experiences I've read, not once have I noticed anything positive mentioning a wonderful elder that stuck up for the victim.

So if you know of such a situation, and are happy to share, please let me know. I know that there are some good people in the borg, but do they ever stick up for what's right or just what the WTS says is right?

Look forward to your comments.

Cheers,

Bliss.

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Exotic Vacations: your favourite places on the globe

by RAYZORBLADE in

jw
friends

ok folks, honestly, i know many of you have travelled some, and a few have ventured into some pretty exotic far off places.

where did you go on your last vacation?

where is the most exotic place you have visited?

BLISSISIGNORANCE

VENICE. (ITALY)

VENICE.

OH, AND VENICE TOO.

FIJI FOR HEAT.

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Did you leave the Borg 'in search of truth' or 'freedom from rules'?

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

jw
friends

this question is not to offend anyone, it's just that i have noticed people have many different reasons for leaving the borg and i thought it would be interesting to find out why some of you left.. for example:some leave because they want to be free to smoke, drink, gamble, fornicate, grow beards, celebrate xmas, take blood and drugs, etc.some leave because they never believed and now are old enough to do as they want.some leave because they have seen that they can be happy living life free from any religious organization, yet still feel safe in god's love.some have been hurt by the borg and have taken their wounds away to lick them, waiting to see justice.some have trusted the borg with their lives, time and money...........only to discover recently that there has been lies, cover-ups and hypocracy in the borg.

now they have left but need to belong to another organization to feel happy.. i left the borg because i found out about the cover-ups and lies.

my family was abused by it, my child was sexually abused and i was df'ed.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

I just want to say thanks to everyone who replied to my question. Your honesty is appreciated. Your answers show that the saying is true:................

'YOU CAN FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME, BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME'

We can be happy we are free from mind-control, brain-washing and all the other things the WTS is known for.

Cheers,

Bliss.

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Do you think JW men treat women worst than 'other' men in power?

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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friends

i ask this question because we often hear about jw men (bros., elders, servants, co's etc.

) treating sisters as lower and weaker beings than themselves.. but i wonder if it's not just a male-dominant world problem.

i didn't grow up as a jw so every male i met for 30 years was not a jw.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

I ask this question because we often hear about JW men (bros., elders, servants, CO's etc.) treating sisters as lower and weaker beings than themselves.

But I wonder if it's not just a male-dominant world problem.

I didn't grow up as a JW so every male I met for 30 years was not a JW. I met very nice, gentle men in that time but I also met men who had huge egos that needed stroking. And if they were challenged by a female they would turn nasty.

I stayed at home with my kids when they were little. Those years were spent with a very abusive man who destroyed my confidence and joy. He managed to humiliate me and make me feel worthless, despite serving him in every way. He was my husband and not a JW.

I then met my 2nd hubby in the borg. He wasn't raised a JW yet he had and still has all the qualities of a chrisitian man. He was and still is kind and gentle, supportive, generous, patient, and faithful.

Could it be that people are what they are? In or out of the borg, male or female..........if you give someone enough power, they'll abuse it? I think that those awful bros. that treat women badly, would do the same out of the borg, it's just that the WTS promotes men and therefore empowers them.

If at work a woman encounters sexual descrimination, she can do something about it. But in the borg, when she DOES encounter sexual descrimination she has no support. The borg IS sexist. But like my hubby, there are men in the borg that respect women, and out of the borg there are men that abuse women.

What do you think?

Cheers,

Bliss

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Did you leave the Borg 'in search of truth' or 'freedom from rules'?

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

jw
friends

this question is not to offend anyone, it's just that i have noticed people have many different reasons for leaving the borg and i thought it would be interesting to find out why some of you left.. for example:some leave because they want to be free to smoke, drink, gamble, fornicate, grow beards, celebrate xmas, take blood and drugs, etc.some leave because they never believed and now are old enough to do as they want.some leave because they have seen that they can be happy living life free from any religious organization, yet still feel safe in god's love.some have been hurt by the borg and have taken their wounds away to lick them, waiting to see justice.some have trusted the borg with their lives, time and money...........only to discover recently that there has been lies, cover-ups and hypocracy in the borg.

now they have left but need to belong to another organization to feel happy.. i left the borg because i found out about the cover-ups and lies.

my family was abused by it, my child was sexually abused and i was df'ed.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

Hey Blondie.....................keep those sunnies on, the light is bright out here. I've seen the light too!

My family feels the same as you. We are happy to maintain good principals in our lives, yet not needing another organization to make us feel close to god.

cheers,

Bliss

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Did you leave the Borg 'in search of truth' or 'freedom from rules'?

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

jw
friends

this question is not to offend anyone, it's just that i have noticed people have many different reasons for leaving the borg and i thought it would be interesting to find out why some of you left.. for example:some leave because they want to be free to smoke, drink, gamble, fornicate, grow beards, celebrate xmas, take blood and drugs, etc.some leave because they never believed and now are old enough to do as they want.some leave because they have seen that they can be happy living life free from any religious organization, yet still feel safe in god's love.some have been hurt by the borg and have taken their wounds away to lick them, waiting to see justice.some have trusted the borg with their lives, time and money...........only to discover recently that there has been lies, cover-ups and hypocracy in the borg.

now they have left but need to belong to another organization to feel happy.. i left the borg because i found out about the cover-ups and lies.

my family was abused by it, my child was sexually abused and i was df'ed.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

I was tired of all the sad rules which had no scriptual backing

I was trapped in a miserable JW marriage, and I could see that everything had to go.

I remained out because I never fit in anyway. I was never in the IN crowd, never had true real friends in the org. and even after being reinstated I was still a weak sister with children not good association for them.

Thanks for the replies so far.

It's interesting that all 3 responses show the WTS, it's members and it's false teachings are the underlying cause of people leaving. If it was the loving, honest organization it claims to be we would probably still be associating, even if not fully committed.

I look forward to more replies.

cheers,

Bliss.

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Did you leave the Borg 'in search of truth' or 'freedom from rules'?

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

jw
friends

this question is not to offend anyone, it's just that i have noticed people have many different reasons for leaving the borg and i thought it would be interesting to find out why some of you left.. for example:some leave because they want to be free to smoke, drink, gamble, fornicate, grow beards, celebrate xmas, take blood and drugs, etc.some leave because they never believed and now are old enough to do as they want.some leave because they have seen that they can be happy living life free from any religious organization, yet still feel safe in god's love.some have been hurt by the borg and have taken their wounds away to lick them, waiting to see justice.some have trusted the borg with their lives, time and money...........only to discover recently that there has been lies, cover-ups and hypocracy in the borg.

now they have left but need to belong to another organization to feel happy.. i left the borg because i found out about the cover-ups and lies.

my family was abused by it, my child was sexually abused and i was df'ed.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

This question is not to offend anyone, it's just that I have noticed people have many different reasons for leaving the Borg and I thought it would be interesting to find out why some of you left.

For example:

some leave because they want to be free to smoke, drink, gamble, fornicate, grow beards, celebrate Xmas, take blood and drugs, etc.
some leave because they never believed and now are old enough to do as they want.
some leave because they have seen that they can be happy living life free from any religious organization, yet still feel safe in God's love.
some have been hurt by the Borg and have taken their wounds away to lick them, waiting to see justice.
some have trusted the Borg with their lives, time and money...........only to discover recently that there has been lies, cover-ups and hypocracy in the Borg. Now they have left but need to belong to another organization to feel happy.

I left the Borg because I found out about the cover-ups and lies. My family was abused by it, my child was sexually abused and I was DF'ed. The hypocracy of the UN scandal, the wealth of the organization while sincere people give up everything, the unloving people who are self-righteous and judgemental, the class distinctions, the pressure they put on families while in and then out of the borg.............splitting families up, and the anger I feel because I was told I could expect one thing if I became a JW yet received the very opposite once I came in. I didn't want to be associated with it any longer.........I was ashamed of it.

So where do you fit in?

Why did you leave?

I look forward to your replies.

Cheers,

Bliss.

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Did The Elders Seem Eager To Disfellowship You?

by minimus in

did you ever feel that the elders just wanted you out?

in your experiences with the elders, did you feel "love" displayed at the judicial meeting, or did you sense that you were dealing with, the star of dragnet,"just the facts, please."?

in all the years that i was an elder, i think i only wanted to disfellowship a person once.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY SURE DID.

after one of my kids was sexually abused by a jw and i reported it to the authorities and police, the elders became very concerned that someone in the congregation might find out what happened. the first thing they impressed on me was to keep quiet about it with the jws. as one elder put it "gossip is like the feathers in a pillow when it breaks open. once they're out you can never put them all back in" they said if i had any problems, to speak to them ALONE, no other elders either.

when i realised that they didn't care about other kids in the congo because the pedo was playing with them and touching them in front of the elders, i warned a few mums about being careful.

it took a year, but they did get me. but they had to do it carefully. so they rang around all sisters i was associating with, trying to find someone who had ANYTHING that could be used against me. one witness was one elder's daughter and the other was a friend of hers. they got me for slander.............and the evidence was based on 2 seperate conversations i had with the false witnesses seperately, and they remembered everything i said, word for word, a year later. yeh, right.

one of the witnesses has a mental illness and is on heavy medication...........they used her as a reliable witness when she can't remember putting sugar in your coffee 2 seconds after she's put it in. the other is such a gossiper that the evidence she gave was in actual fact, what she had said about the person, not my words.

they came to my home under false pretenses with the supposed slander victim, kicked my hubby out of our lounge room. i allowed that, thinking they had good intentions and that the truth would clear everything up...........WRONG. my hubby would have liked to kick their heads in and he's not a violent man.

the 3 men, 2 elders and supposed slander victim, sat there, saying if i didn't confess they would get a jc. i didn't say what they wanted me to confess too, but they had 2 RELIABLE witnesses and i would get DF'ed. there was no opening prayer, none of them had a bible and the whole thing was so frightening and threatening, that i can only describe the experience as pure EVIL.

so yes, the elders were very eager to DF me. i believe they sold their souls to get me. it was pure corruption and the wts allowed it all to go ahead because the fish stinks from the head down! the corruption is from the top down. although now i'm happy to know the truth about the borg, and i'm thrilled to have a normal life again out of it, this does not take away the fact that the whole incident made me physically, emotionally, spiritually and mentally sick. and they will pay, sooner or later for what they did to me and countless other decent, trusting people.

bliss

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My first time posting

by NAPPY ROOTS in

i just wanted to say hi.

this is my first message.

i have been df for about 14 years.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

hey nappy...................a big aussie welcome to you.

you'll have alot of fun here, plenty of people reliving their lost childhood, just come into chat for a sample of that.............LOL

look forward to reading your threads and chatting some time.

cheers,

bliss.