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  are JW's classist?

  by Azalo in

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  is it just coincidence or do jw's seem to prefer members to be of at least middle class standing.

  i cant think of one brother who had to struggle to make ends meet who became an elder or ms. in fact it seems like those ones were often viewed as weak.

  any thoughts?

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  scotsman

  Mmmm...

  The elders in my congregation were mostly working class and are not affluent, but just as many cultures are hierarchical, so are the Witnesses and those with similar incomes do tend to stick together.
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  Would you take your shoes off?

  by Golden Girl in

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  if you went to someones house as a guest and they asked you to take your shoes off..would you?..would you be offended?....

  does anyone know if this is proper etiquette?.

  didn't know where else to post this........ my daughter was invited to a neighbors house and they requested people remove their shoes!...she never had anyone ask her that before.

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  scotsman

  As to etiquette, not even the Queen asks you to take your shoes off.

  And white carpets? So 70's porn!
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  Would you take your shoes off?

  by Golden Girl in

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  if you went to someones house as a guest and they asked you to take your shoes off..would you?..would you be offended?....

  does anyone know if this is proper etiquette?.

  didn't know where else to post this........ my daughter was invited to a neighbors house and they requested people remove their shoes!...she never had anyone ask her that before.

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  I confess this was a pet peeve of mine. I loathed sitting around with everyone exposing their corned and bunioned toes realeasing pungent aromas. Carpets are for walking on, not licking, and toddlers need a bit of dirt to built up immunity. And as to wearing soft shoes/slippers that other guests have worn AAGH, it's the pits. Of course I always took my shoes off if requested without a murmur.

  For some reason, I haven't come across this unpleasant ritual outside the Witnesses.

  In an ideal world we'd all be heeled by Manolo Blahnik, Ferragamo and Church's and shoes would be mandatory.
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  upcoming elder visit, need help

  by greven in

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  i have been inactive for quite a while since i started to do research on the society.

  the elders knew about this and even encouraged it, until i started to ask the wrong type of questions, mostly of the kind: "can you provide verifyable evidence for that?".

  anyway, they wanted to meet to discuss my current position towards the religion and towards the bible.

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  scotsman

  Once again I agree with JT.

  Be vague, appear humble, in fact appearing depressed may make them tread lightly. Yes they may be like the Gestapo and ask intrusive questions that they have no right to but countering them in a similar vein or questioning their beliefs will backfire.

  You've said that you really don't want to DA/DF so this is your best option and then try not to meet them again. If it's 2 elders coming to see you it's not a judicial committee but if they get a whiff of apostate thought you may quickly be meeting with 3 and that you'll have to attend or be Dfed and if you do attend you will be interrogated and any room to be vague will be denied

  Lying may not be the most pleasant thing in the world but as has been pointed out to you the WTBTS has been dishonest with you. In 10 years time when all your relatives and friends have escaped you can call the elders then and tell them that the light has got brighter and yes you are an apostate.

  If you don't want a fight don't meet them armed. I was an elder and wouldn't have kicked a dying dog but may have risen to the challenge of a fight.

  Good luck.
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  "Sexist" Dress Code??

  by Fe2O3Girl in

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  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2791943.stm

  a job centre employee has taken his employer to a tribunal because he claims that the dress code is sexist - women are not required to adhere to a similar standard.

  his union is backing him.. i am inclined to say "oh boo hoo, poor you, your employer has a dress code!

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  scotsman

  Bit like life in the Borg really. The women got greater latitude than the men when it came to dress codes. It bugged the hell out of me that the men sat in starched shirt and tie while the women schlepped around in denim. I advocated that we should all either get to wear what we like or both sexes should wear suits.

  Now, I couldn't give a flying fig what people wear.
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  Shepherding Visit this Weekend

  by Jourles in

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  first off, the new forum looks spiffy.

  i like what simon has done with the place.

  been away for a while so it was quite the eye shock coming back in.. yes, we are finally getting our shepherding call this weekend.

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  scotsman

  Jourles

  I wish you luck too, but suggest you think carefully about what JT says. The mindset of the Elders, no matter how laid back, is closed. I was a laid back Elder on an individual basis but if operating as part of the 'body' you end up drifting towards the rules. The Elders are appointed by the WTBTS and therefore have to operate by its rules. If you breath words that are remotely apostate, no matter how legitimate or heartfelt, they'll more than likely come down like the proverbial ton of bricks.

  Say you're researching, be vague, say you'll try and come to more meetings, then do what the Hell you like. If they see no change they may well give up if, as you say, they've not shepherded you much before.

  And be careful with the recording equipment. If it gets discovered it puts you in a really bad light.

  All the best.
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  How I Help The Society Fake Its Statistics

  by metatron in

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  i'm a fake publisher.

  i turn in a fake field service report.

  i claim fake hours.

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  scotsman

  Been there. When i pioneered all my reports were faked I just made sure they all added up to the annula 1000 hours. And I just made sure my literature placements matched whatever was in the monthly report. This of course made me a model pioneer for 2 years.
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  Bisexual?

  by Sirona in

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  thread i gave something away about my attitude toward bisexuality and homosexuality.

  what do you think of bisexuals?

  are you bisexual?

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  scotsman

  Although being celibate until 30 I was always attracted to men and women but since leaving the borg I've found myself in a relationship with a man. So I've only had sex with him and we're monogomous, does that mean I'm definitely homosexual, or does the fact that I continue to find women and men attractive mean I'm bisexual?

  I confess to having problems with both labels as they tend to be tied to the notion of ever increasing promiscuity which is not the case. Saying you're gay also identifies you with one community which, again, is not the case. The city in which I live has what I'd term a 'gay ghetto' but i prefer to live an integrated life as part of society at large.

  I suppose I am a practising homosexual but latently bisexual. And boy, do I practise...!
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  An elder calls

  by scotsman in

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  in my congregation telephoned last night.

  told me that the elders would like to call round to have a chat with me as they were calling on everyone in my 'situation'.

  i was tempted to say i'd read about their sweep in the web.

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  scotsman

  The P.O. in my congregation telephoned last night. Told me that the elders would like to call round to have a chat with me as they were calling on everyone in my 'situation'. I was tempted to say I'd read about their sweep in the web. Told him I was a bit busy and that it would be a waste of both our time, but he insisted it wouldn't be a waste of his and when would I be free. I repeated that I had nothing new to say (last visit was a year ago) and if I wanted to chat I would call him.

  He says he'll call me again in a few weeks. There's a circuit visit in a few weeks so they more than likely want to appear to be an efficient little body of elders rather than busy little body of voyeurs that they are. If they call again he'll get shorter shrift.

  Edited by - scotsman on 4 February 2003 2:48:51
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  Thank God That Hanging Has Been Abolished.

  by Englishman in

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  just about 3 decades ago, this lady would have been executed by hanging by the neck until she was dead.. yes, i am glad that capital punishment is outlawed in europe, aren't you?.

  englishman.. you are in: england news front pageworldukenglandn irelandscotlandwalespoliticsbusinessentertainmentscience/naturetechnologyhealtheducation-------------talking point-------------country profilesin depth-------------programmes-------------servicesdaily e-mail news ticker mobile/pdas ------------- text onlyfeedback help editions change to world wednesday, 29 january, 2003, 17:51 gmtsolicitor accused of killing sons freed.

  sally clark and her husband stephen outside court.

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  scotsman

  I completely agree with you Englishman.

  Mary, were you part of that viscious mob that attacked the vans carrying the children who killed Jamie Bulger? These boys, although guilty of a terrible act, were children and I'm glad they've been rehabilitated. Maybe they've moved in next door to you. You should read As If by Blake Morrison for a bit more insight into that case in particular.

  Edited by - scotsman on 29 January 2003 17:26:16