Posts by scotsman

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Shropshire Star news editor examines issues behind death of JW Emma Gough

by AndersonsInfo in

shropshire starapril 9, 2008. why would loving faith allow death?.

features news editor neil thomas examines the issues behind the tragic death of new mum emma gough.. words written by heaven knows who and attributed to moses have brought about the apparently needless death of a young shropshire mother, and blighted many other lives, more than 3,000 years later.. far-fetched, possibly.

yet, how else are we to interpret the death of emma gough?.

scotsman

lol

I agree with what you say on an emotional level, but not on an ethical one. We're discuss the individual's right to control over their own body and in that contect the abortion question is relevant. And the "right to a mother" isn't a UNESCO article although you could possibly say it is covered in article 3 (Best interests of child). Not allowing the choice to refuse specific medical treatment because you can't comprehend the mindset and because of the hope & optimism in a wedding photo are not sound legal grounds, but they might be champagne grounds!

Christopher Hitchens is a beautiful writer but I wouldn't want to live in his world. Removing religion from the equation wouldn't automatically result in a peachy world as the impetus to control and dominate is intrinsic to humanity and science an alternative tool to be used to that end instead of religion.

I'm with John Gray on Hitchens, Dawkins and Dennet.http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/politicsphilosophyandsociety/story/0,,2265446,00.html

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Shropshire Star news editor examines issues behind death of JW Emma Gough

by AndersonsInfo in

shropshire starapril 9, 2008. why would loving faith allow death?.

features news editor neil thomas examines the issues behind the tragic death of new mum emma gough.. words written by heaven knows who and attributed to moses have brought about the apparently needless death of a young shropshire mother, and blighted many other lives, more than 3,000 years later.. far-fetched, possibly.

yet, how else are we to interpret the death of emma gough?.

scotsman

Besty

Does the mothers right to do what the hell she wants with her body because its hers, supercede the right of the newborn child to their natural mother?

I would still state yes. I believe that the mother's right to control over her own body supercedes the child's right to life, something more grave than the right to a natural mother. I would find it hard to accept your argument and still be pro-choice...

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Shropshire Star news editor examines issues behind death of JW Emma Gough

by AndersonsInfo in

shropshire starapril 9, 2008. why would loving faith allow death?.

features news editor neil thomas examines the issues behind the tragic death of new mum emma gough.. words written by heaven knows who and attributed to moses have brought about the apparently needless death of a young shropshire mother, and blighted many other lives, more than 3,000 years later.. far-fetched, possibly.

yet, how else are we to interpret the death of emma gough?.

scotsman

I suppose I'm with Burger Time, the rights of the mother to choose trump the right of the child to a mother, unpalatable as it may be. Just as a woman has a right to a termination.

Just to clarify, the newspaper article doesn't say that the family are sueing the doctors, it's an inquest into the cause of death and the family have a right to representation.

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Not that there's anything wrong with it

by JimmyPage in

jw
friends

over the years there have been brothers in the congregation that you just knew had to be gay but everybody just accepted them.

some even got to be servants or elders.

anyone here fit that description yourself?

scotsman

Yeah, I was one of "them" that even became an elder. It was crushingly depressing at times.

Was I sincere? Not about it being the truth, but the love for the people I grew up with and my family was immense and the reason I took so long to get out.

JG, you are such an authority on this arent you,

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In Memorandum of Charlie Heston.

by AK - Jeff in

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080406/ap_on_en_mo/obit_heston_14.

what artistic achievements of this great actor stand out to you?

rip .

scotsman

I always thought his acting was wooden and without nuance, which is fine for blockbusters, but not really what i think of as good acting. He was always Charlton Heston and didn't really inhabit his roles.

A legend on a par with Ronald Reagan? lol. Someone needs to watch more movies me thinks!

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What Was The Silliest "Offense" That You Were Counseled For?

by minimus in

jw
friends

when i was a teenager, i was told by an elder that because i smiled a lot and was known for my good sense of humor, that i should come across as "more serious".

so before i was appointed a ms, while in my late teens, i transformed myself into a much more "serious" brother.. were you ever told that you needed to work on something that you knew was stoopid?.

scotsman

No I sang, "Hang the School Overseer, hang the School overseer..."

Doesn't have quite the same ring to it! Mozzer lyrics were never spotted.

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What Was The Silliest "Offense" That You Were Counseled For?

by minimus in

jw
friends

when i was a teenager, i was told by an elder that because i smiled a lot and was known for my good sense of humor, that i should come across as "more serious".

so before i was appointed a ms, while in my late teens, i transformed myself into a much more "serious" brother.. were you ever told that you needed to work on something that you knew was stoopid?.

scotsman

I got counselled for using the word "smorgasbord" in a talk. I can't recall what it was referring to and to be fair, me and my friend did try to incorporate words that made us laugh, or song lyrics - usually The Smiths. And yes, sideburns and hair length cropped up periodically.

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It looks like I will become an elder this week!

by outofthebox in

jw
friends

that's right guys.

as i told you before, they boe have been considering me for the eldership.

which i don't care for, but since my family is stuck in this cult, i guess i can use the new position to help them see that the holy spirit has nothing to do with me being an elder.

scotsman

ps - do not ever accuse me of watchtower speak!!! lol

sorry, the combination of old, traits and pursue gave me the heebie jeebies. You'll loose the wtbts accent eventually!

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It looks like I will become an elder this week!

by outofthebox in

jw
friends

that's right guys.

as i told you before, they boe have been considering me for the eldership.

which i don't care for, but since my family is stuck in this cult, i guess i can use the new position to help them see that the holy spirit has nothing to do with me being an elder.

scotsman

lol at Besty. You're way to anglified these days! Or is it Californiaised?

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It looks like I will become an elder this week!

by outofthebox in

jw
friends

that's right guys.

as i told you before, they boe have been considering me for the eldership.

which i don't care for, but since my family is stuck in this cult, i guess i can use the new position to help them see that the holy spirit has nothing to do with me being an elder.

scotsman

we want to remove the old WT traits not pursue them.

LOLSounds like Watchtower speak to me.

Hypocrisy is a human trait, and we all engage in it to differing degrees. Feigning a belief while attending meetings, accepting the label of JW while not believing their doctrines are, to me, hypocritical. But understandable. LittleToe is one of the few who left with integrity, and no hypocrisy, but that route isn't for everyone.

OOTB may manage to be an elder for a while, but it's unlikely he'll sustain it. If you cease to believe then you'll only remain for the power trip, and he doesn't sound like that. Please note that I'm not saying "power to you" to OOTB - i think he's on a hiding to nowhere that he'll find unpleasant an unproductive, but i'm not prepared to damn him.