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  Could a gay-lesbian candidate be elected President?

  by The Berean in

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  there was a time when blacks and women could not even vote.

  so what's next?.

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  scotsman

  You mean like James Buchanan, the 15th President....?
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

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  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  scotsman

  Jesus, Ronnie Hunter will be loving this attention!
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

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  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  scotsman

  broken by an outside source or from within?
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  scotsman

  Yep, the sands shift and the beach is still there. My old congregation shrank for a few years but is now bigger than ever due to immigration.

  Apologies if I've come off as a stuck up east coast w*nker, and good luck on your journeys.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  scotsman

  I'm not having a go at anyone here but what does rattling Ronnie accomplish? He's a nobody unless you acknowledge his position within the Witnesses.

  I probably shouldn't post here as I've been out too long and have seen regular waves of people leave the Witnesses trying to leave and make a point at the same time. Leaving is the point, and i think that leaving while having a fight with them is more individually damaging than just walking away. You loose your family and friends either way, the fighting is exasperating and there's little evidence to suggest that it's productive in freeing others. Walking away and living a fulfilled life seems to be as successful in drawing others out. I know you are praying for the local Witnesses PP, and presumably feel that's more powerful than arguing about 607?!

  Controversially I sort of agreed with Ronnie that, from a JW perspective, altering your belief in God/Jesus is worse than sexual immorality. They see recovery from immorailtyas possible, it being a human frailty, but there's no turning back from disagreeing with their concept of heavenly hiearchy. A change in thought is that great terror of 'apostasy'. It irritated me tremendously that when I left expressing my disbelief in god, they left me alone, but 12 months later when they thought I might be immoral they chased after me, when disbelieving in god was surely the greater 'sin'.

  I was publicly marked too, on my last ever meeting, and could have viewed it as humliating to have my life described but not named from the platform. Instead it made me realise that there wasn't anything I could do from within the monolith and that people I had known all my life were about to mistreat me. It was momentarily horrific, but fundamentally liberating.

  Hope it works out that way for you too Hobo K and IKA.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  scotsman

  Sometimes I wonder if challenging elders like Ronnie is a bit like challenging the BNP - fruitless, and increases their sense of self worth.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  scotsman

  counted as a man for doing so

  by who? that sounds rather unreconstructed talk to me - women needing protected from elders... is he still the head of the house?? one could wonder why she didn't stroll into the KH and challenge Ronnie herself, that would have made an exceptionally interesting recording....
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  scotsman

  lol, it's been a long time since I heard one of these conversations! imho it's a waste of time to have pretty much any discussion with an elder but I appreciate that if you think you've found a more truthful form of belief it might feel worthwhile.

  You west coast boys certainly like to have your say! Good on you recording it, has RH heard it??
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  WT to entirely shut down Brooklyn soon? New developments

  by sir82 in

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  one thread already started on this, although you may have missed it since the topic title is not so descriptive: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/173227/1/moving-sale.

  here is a news article on it:.

  http://www.lohud.com/article/20090326/news03/903260466.

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  scotsman

  Th WTBTS leaving Brooklyn is not speculation it's definite. So say contacts in Mill Hill.
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  Riots in Greece

  by purplesofa in

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  what are the circumstances as to why the 15 yr old boy got shot by policeman in greece?

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  scotsman

  Riots in Iceland, now in Greece. Hundreds killed in India. Seems like the planet is getting thrown into an uproar lately. It is going to be a bumpy ride for a while.

  Sheesh, there's some marches in 2 Western countries and a bomb that affects white people in Mumbai and the planet's in an uproar??? I thought you'd be better informed BTS.