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The Eternity of Christ Part 1 Old Testament

by hooberus in

the following thread discusses the eternity of christ in the old testament.

please restrict your comments to old testament passages on the eternity of christ (i will start a new testament thread later).

"before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art god.

SwedishChef

Comparing some Old Testament passages with some New:

Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him (Jesus), I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:"

Isaiah 40:3 "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

Mark 1:1-3 "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

John 8:57,58 "Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

Philippians 2:10,11 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Joel 2:32 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call."

Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [Jesus] shall be saved."

Zechariah 12:10 "And I [Jehovah] will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

Revelation 1:7,8 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Zechariah 14:9 "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one."

Revelation 17:14 "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Zechariah 11:11-13 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD. And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Matthew 26:15 "And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver."

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Believers and their "Free Will" Dogma

by JT in

one of the most interesting dogmas found among believers is the concept called free will- on the surface it starts out sounding reasonable, until you start the ask questions and listen to the explanations that are given , after awhile you realize it has no legs to stand on.

we are told by believers that god allows each person to make thier own choice and we are not robots and therefore we are able to exercise free will, the only problem is when you ask the question, what about when someone exercises thier free will and it harms someone else, why would a loving god allow someone the free will to hurt someone innocent, at that point free will sounds more like an excuse to give god a bye in terms of having to do anything- i read this posters comment and i couldn't for the life of me see any logic or reasonablness behind the concept of free will when folks get hurt like this person has-.

one of my earliest memories is of my grandfather raping me.

SwedishChef

2 Timothy 3:1-7 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Why does God allow these things to happen? Why does He allow blasphemers, unholy, and fierce people to go about doing the things that they do? I am not going to lie to you and say I understand the mind of God, but one must understand that God does not owe a person anything. We are by nature a sinful and rebellious race which time and time again likes to shake its fist in the face of a Holy and Righteous God. 1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." God, full of mercy, love and compassion, sent His son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for our sins. To shed His precious blood so that whosoever believes on Him may have everlasting life. Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he [Jesus] humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Romans 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Who is to shake their fist in the face of the Lord? The suffering anyone goes through on this earth cannot compare the suffering the Lord Jesus Christ went through for us. His friends cowardly fled away when Jesus was captured and betrayed. Peter even denied he knew Jesus. The Lord was betrayed and taken before the judges. He was mocked, lied against, and sentenced to be crucified. He was whipped with a reed, spit upon, His beard pulled out, a crown of thorns placed on His head. He was lead out to be crucified, too weak to carry his own cross. When at the top of the hill, He was stripped, His hands and feet were nailed onto two planks of wood, and He was left to writhe in pain while being mocked, spit on, and His garments gambled with. During that period of time, the Lord Jesus took upon Himself the sins of His people, the very wrath of God which we deserved was being poured without mercy on the Lord Jesus. He faced agony that cannot be related to with words, separation from the Father! And yet while he was hanging there taking upon this burden, He prayed and said "Father forgive them, for they no not what they do." He was speaking of the very people He came to save. The Lord Jesus is the mighty champion of the cross, the Sovereign Lord and Savior. And you dare to say that there is unrighteousness with Him? to excuse your unbelief by saying, "well, I just dont understand why this and this happened"? The Word of God says "thou are inexcusable, O man." God knows all the trouble you go through, He sees your need for a Savior; that is what the sacrifice at Calvary was all about. Isaiah 53:3-6 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." Come to Jesus today: "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28 )

Edited by - SwedishChef on 11 December 2002 15:24:4

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The Judgment Day

by Calvinist02 in

what are you going to do when you get judged before the lord.... romans 2:12 .

"for all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.".

revelation 20:13.

SwedishChef

Gospel Message (not written by me)

*** SALVATION IS OF THE LORD ***

What the Bible Says To You
About Personal Salvation

The word salvation implies different things to different people. The typical dictionary, for example, defines salvation as, "Preservation or deliverance from destruction, difficulty, or evil." The Bible, however, gives new meaning to this word and reveals that true salvation from sin, and the destruction that results from sin, come wholly and solely from God.

My friend, there is a very pointed verse in God's Word, the Bible, which reads:

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God
(Romans 14:12).

Someday, whether it be today or years from now, you will personally give an account of your life to God. May I ask you, what kind of an account will you be able to give?

I would like to take just a few moments of your time to outline what God's Word says to you about salvation and how you can receive it. Please take the next few moments to consider four things. These few moments will be the most important in your life.

1. Realize That You Are A Sinner

Sin, which literally means "to miss the mark," and is simply the breaking of God's law (or commandments), came into the world because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. That one sin brought death to every man and woman without exception.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by
sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
(Romans 5:12).

For the wages of sin is death. (Romans 6:23a).

Sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death (James 1:15b).

The type of death these verses are speaking of is not only physical death, since man slowly began to die when he sinned, but spiritual death as well. This death is described in Revelation 20:14 and 21:8:

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the
Second Death.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and
murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters,
and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth
with fire and brimstone: which is the Second Death.

This spiritural death is the result of God's wrath upon man's sin. Because God is holy and just by His very nature, He must punish sin ("The soul that sinneth, it shall die," Ezekial 18:4). In one of the most pointed statements of Scripture, we read:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [or suppress]
the truth in unrighteousness. Because that which may be known of
God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them (Romans
1:18-19).

Is this not a sobering and frightening thought? Many people today, even religious people, speak of God's love, but few speak of His wrath. But God's wrath is just as real as His love. Why is God's wrath upon man? Because man in his sin suppresses the truth about God that God Himself put in man. By nature man hates God:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and
their foolish heart was darkened. Who changed the truth of God
into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature [man] more
than the Creator [God], Who is blessed for ever. (Romans 1:21,
25).

The Bible reveals that man is so sinful that he is actually "dead in trespasses and sins," and that he conducts his entire life according to "the desires of the flesh and of the mind" (Ephesians 2:1-3). Just as a physical corpse is incapable of resuscitating itself, neither can the spiritually dead man do anything to resuscitate himself spiritually. He can do nothing righteous, nothing good, nothing to please God. Yes, he can do "good things" as far as earthly good is concerned, such as humanitarian acts, but in the sight of God he, like all of us, is:

. . .an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy
rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the
wind, have taken us away (Isaiah 64:6).

Nothing that we do here on earth can satisfy the righteousness of God. All of our good deeds and good intentions are as offensive to God as a "menstrual cloth," which is the literal meaning of "filthy rags."

Most people do not think that sin is a serious problem at all. Most think it simply means "an honest mistake" or other such thing. But sin and its results are terrible and ugly.

Romans 1:18-32 paints a truly hideous picture of man's sinfulness. We read there that man suppresses God's truth, is unthankful for what God has done, is foolish, worships other gods, even himself, is unclean, and indulges in vile, obscene, and repulsive behavior. It goes on to say that man is "filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, [and] maliciousness, [that] he is full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, [and] evil-mindedness, [and that men] are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, [and] unmerciful." The last verse then says that "those who practice such things are deserving of death." Yes, sin is, indeed, a terrible thing!

In case we be tempted to think that we might be an exception, consider these words:

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is
none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become
unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. For all
have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:10-13,
23).

Again, in ourselves, we cannot please God. Spiritually speaking, any so-called "good thing" we do means nothing. There are countless religious people who go to church, observe a sacrament, get involved in a cause, or even get active in "ministry," but it means absolutely nothing spiritually speaking.

But, thank God, "Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost" (Luke 19:10).

2. Recognize Who Jesus Is And That He Is The Only Way Of Salvation

Of all the questions in life, the most important one is found in Matthew 22:42: "What think ye of Christ?" Some say that Jesus was just a good man, or a good teacher, but if this is true, then He was the most brazen liar Who ever lived, for He claimed to be God (Matthew 4:10; John 10:30-33; etc.).

Dear friend, what do you think about Jesus Christ? The answer Peter gave to a similar question in Matthew 16:13 ("Whom do men say that I am?") was, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" (v. 16).

Jesus was, indeed, God in the flesh (John 1:14) and came into this world to die for sinners like you and me, and it is only through Him that we can have eternal life.

But God commendeth [proves] his love toward us, in that, while we
were yet sinners, Christ died for us (Romans 5:8).

The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
(Romans 6:23b).

Church membership, baptism, confirmation, or any other "good work" will not save you. Only the blood of Jesus Christ will save you.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man
should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Jesus saith unto him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no
man cometh unto the Father, but by Me (John 14:6).

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other
name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved
(Acts 4:12).

In Whom [Christ] we have redemption through His blood, the
forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
(Ephesians 1:7).

The word grace is perhaps the most beautiful word in the Bible. It's basic meaning is "unmerited favor," that is, a kindness shown to us who are guilty of sin, worthy of death, and totally undeserving of salvation. The work of salvation, from beginning to end, is wholly by God's grace, and true, eternal salvation from the horrors of Hell is found only in Jesus Christ. "Salvation is of the Lord" (Jonah 2:9).

3. Repent Of Your Sin

Repentance means "to change your mind" and clearly implies turning from one thing to another. To become a Christian means you change your mind about sin; that is, you no longer want sin to be the rule in your life; you no longer want to cling to the very thing that condemned you to Hell.
Our Lord Jesus made the need for repentance quite clear in Luke 13:3:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise
perish.

Other verses are equally clear:

Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted
out. . .(Acts 3:19).

. . .God. . .now commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts
17:30).

. . .repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance
(Acts 26:20).

God's Word also clearly reveals the reason we need to repent of our sin and believe in Jesus Christ, namely, to have righteousness.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the
righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all
and upon all them that believe (Romans 3:21-22).

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with
the mouth confession is made unto salvation (Romans 10:10).

Believing in Christ and His shed blood immediately implies our desire for His righteousness. When we come to Jesus Christ, our entire life changes; sin is no longer the rule:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old
things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (II
Corinthians 5:17).

4. Receive Christ As Your Savior And Lord

The final principle of salvation, which we have already mentioned, is believing in (or receiving) Christ, which, wholly by God's grace, gives us eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have
everlasting life (John 3:16).

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and
shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the
dead, thou shalt be saved (Romans 10:9).

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be
saved (Romans 10:13).

Believing in Christ, however, means more than a simple mental assent to a few facts about Jesus. For example, it is just as easy to say, "Oh, yes, of course I believe in Jesus, " as it is to say, "Oh, yes, of course I believe in Abraham Lincoln." Even Satan and his demons "believe in" God and even tremble at the thought (James 2:19), but they do not love or obey Him, and hence are not saved.

The word believe means "to trust, to be firmly persuaded as to something" and also carries the idea of obedience. In short, believing
is obeying. Believing immediately and fundamentally demands lordship, because it has the underlying foundation of obedience, commitment, and submission.

To illustrate, when someone believes something, regardless of what it is, that belief in some way changes them and results in some action or behavior that is characteristic of the belief. For example, we all believe in the law of gravity and our behavior proves our belief (that is, we don't jump off tall buildings).

Applying this to salvation, to "believe in Jesus" means three things. First, it means to believe in Who He is, that He is God incarnate, Savior, and Sovereign Lord. Second, it means to believe in what He did, that He died for your sins and rose again from the grave. Third, it means to believe in what He says, to trust Him and His Word implicitly and desire to obey Him in all things. To obey Him means we acknowledge His lordship and submit to His authority.

It is Biblically impossible and totally contradictory to say you will receive Christ as Savior but not as Lord. Jesus Christ is Lord, and for you to be saved, you must accept Him as such. The Lord Jesus clearly emphasizes that before someone believes they must "count the cost" and then follow Him unconditionally (Luke 14:26-33; see also Matthew 7, in which the whole context is a progression concerning salvation; Matthew 10:34-39; Luke 6:46-49; etc.).

As we noted earlier, salvation fundamentally implies a changed life.

As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord
[unconditionally], so walk ye in Him [unconditionally and
in holiness] (Colossians 2:6).

The life of the Christian is different than that of the non-Christian. His "walk" (that is, his life) is characterized by holy living and obedience to the things of Christ. In the words our Lord:

If ye continue in My word, then are ye My disciples indeed
(John 8:31).

If ye love Me, keep My commandments (John 14:15).

Will You Believe?

What do you think of Christ? What is your need? Will you believe in Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord right now? May I urge you to believe without delay. God's Word appeals to those who would put off receiving Christ:

Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of
salvation (II Corinthians 6:2b).

Boast not thyself of tomorrow; for thou knowest not what a day
may bring forth (Proverbs 27:1).

Without the saving grace of God and the redemption of Christ's blood, you will remain in your sin and spiritual death and will one day face the Lord Jesus in judgment.

God. . .now commandeth all men everywhere to repent: Because He
hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in
righteousness by that Man [Christ] whom He hath ordained; whereof
He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him
[Christ] from the dead (Acts 17:30-31).

May I urge you once again to believe in Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord right now. He came so that you "might have life, and that [you] might have it more abundantly" (John 10:10). Truly, "Salvation is of the Lord" (Jonah 2:9).

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The Judgment Day

by Calvinist02 in

what are you going to do when you get judged before the lord.... romans 2:12 .

"for all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.".

revelation 20:13.

SwedishChef

"Every eye shall see Him." Every eye; the eye of every living man, whoever he is. None will be able to prevent it. The voice of the trumpet, the brightness of the flame, shall direct all eyes to Him, shall fix all eyes upon Him. Be it ever so busy an eye, or ever so vain an eye, whatever employment, whatever amusement it had the moment before, will then no longer be able to employ it, or to amuse it. The eye will be lifted up to Christ, and will no more look down upon money, upon books, upon land, upon houses, upon gardens.
Your eyes and mine. O awesome thought! Blessed Jesus! May we not see Thee as through tears; may we not then tremble at the sight! (Dr. Doddridge)
"And the Lord turned and looked upon Peter....And Peter went out and wept bitterly." So shall it be, but in a different sense, with sinners at the day of judgment. The eye of Jesus as their judge shall be fixed upon them, and the look shall awake their sleeping memories, and reveal their burdens of sin and shame--countless and cursed crimes, denials worse then Peter's, since life-long and unrepented of, scoffings at love that wooed them, and despising of mercy that called them--all these shall pierce their hearts as they behold the look of Jesus.
And they shall go out and flee from the presence of the Lord--go out never to return, flee even into the outer darkness, if so be they may hide them from that terrible gaze. And they shall weep bitterly--weep as they never wept before, burning, scalding tears, such as earth's sorrow never drew--weep never to be comforted, tears never to be wiped away. Their eyes shall be fountains of tears, not penitential and healing, but bitter and remorseful--tears of blood--tears that shall rend the heart in twain, and deluge the soul in fathomless woe. (Anon)

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Calvinism

by Calvinist02 in

the basic 5 points of calvinism.

1. total depravity- all men are sinners.

we are totally corrupt and wicked.

SwedishChef

Calvinist02,

Glad you liked it, Spurgeon is one of my favorite writers. It would have been nice to actually hear one of the sermons he gave in the 1800s.
I have about a thousand of these messages from Spurgeon on my one Bible program.

So, you were a JW? What brought you to the Truth?

I was never a JW, but I have dealt with them before. It's beyond me how they continue to cling to their false doctrines after you show them right out of the Bible where they're wrong.
I am thankful I had the privilege of growing up a Baptist and in a good home. But just because one has a good influence doesn't mean he is saved.

Although I have no one to blame but myself, public school had a terrible influence on me. I cussed and swore, and had many secret sins that were just as heinous. I completely went against all the things that were taught to me as a child. Was I saved? Well, I must have prayed the sinners prayer a hundred times; it didn't seem to have a whole lot of effect on me.

Looking back, it is really is hard to tell. I had no joy in my sins; in fact, I was completely miserable. God has a way of pricking your heart, I fought it, but who can resist the Lord? God, after a few years, by His grace and Sovereign will, pulled me back in the other direction.

I realized during one church service that my salvation isnt based on feelings, as I was trusting before. I knew this; I must have heard a million times - but it never sank in. We are to repent, believe, and trust in the Lord. If we do that, then were saved! Not because of feelings, but because God promises so in His word -- and God cannot lie. It is so simple, yet so easily missed.

The Lord is still dealing with me, as He will do until the day I die to be with Him. The Lord and I both know I'm a real piece of work, and there is a lot of molding still to be done my life.

God bless

Your Brother in Christ,
Michael

Awaiting the trumpet.

Philippians 4:7 "And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."

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The Judgment Day

by Calvinist02 in

what are you going to do when you get judged before the lord.... romans 2:12 .

"for all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.".

revelation 20:13.

SwedishChef

Revelation 6:15,17 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Matt 24:29,30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

The ONLY WAY to escapte the judgment you deserve is to have the blood of the Lamb applied to your heart. Jesus is the ONE and ONLY way.

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Calvinism

by Calvinist02 in

the basic 5 points of calvinism.

1. total depravity- all men are sinners.

we are totally corrupt and wicked.

SwedishChef

CoolBreeze,
I posted that reading because I think it is a good piece of writing. Although is has nothing to do with the topic, I just thought maybe some Christians might enjoy reading it. :-)

Anyway,
Convincing you of the truth is a task I cannot do. Salvation is God's work, and if you've read my other posts, then you've read the Gospel. I have done all that I can do, I cannot open your heart to accept the wonderful message of Jesus Christ. You must come to Him, coolbreeze. Truly study the Bible and take its meaning to heart. From my experience, I can vouch that it is not disappointing.
Your mindset reflects those of countless others, coolbreeze. I don't believe that your intensions are evil, in fact you seem like a perfectly delightable person. I have said this before and will say it again, I am not trying to be smug or arrogant (as some here have claimed), please do not take me this way. I am telling this to as sincerely as possible, because I believe it and know it to be so. God's Word says:

Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Matthew 7:13 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"

You see, we can't all be right. One must be right, and the rest must be wrong. There are no gray areas. Either the Bible is right, or it is a complete farce. Which will you choose, the way of life, or the way of destruction?

Sincerely, Michael

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Calvinism

by Calvinist02 in

the basic 5 points of calvinism.

1. total depravity- all men are sinners.

we are totally corrupt and wicked.

SwedishChef

"Ye are Christ's."-1 Corinthians 3:23

Ye are Christ's." You are His by donation, for the Father gave you to the Son; His by His bloody purchase, for He counted down the price for your redemption; His by dedication, for you have consecrated yourself to Him; His by relation, for you are named by his name, and made one of His brethren and joint-heirs. Labour practically to show the world that you are the servant, the friend, the bride of Jesus. When tempted to sin, reply, "I cannot do this great wickedness, for I am Christ's." Immortal principles forbid the friend of Christ to sin. When wealth is before you to be won by sin, say that you are Christ's, and touch it not. Are you exposed to difficulties and dangers? Stand fast in the evil day, remembering that you are Christ's. Are you placed where others are sitting down idly, doing nothing? Rise to the work with all your powers; and when the sweat stands upon your brow, and you are tempted to loiter, cry, "No, I cannot stop, for I am Christ's. If I were not purchased by blood, I might be like Issachar, crouching between two burdens; but I am Christ's, and cannot loiter." When the siren song of pleasure would tempt you from the path of right, reply, "Thy music cannot charm me; I am Christ's." When the cause of God invites thee, give thy goods and thyself away, for thou art Christ's. Never belie thy profession. Be thou ever one of those whose manners are Christian, whose speech is like the Nazarene, whose conduct and conversation are so redolent of heaven, that all who see you may know that you are the Saviour's, recognizing in you His features of love and His countenance of holiness. "I am a Roman!" was of old a reason for integrity; far more, then, let it be your argument for holiness, "I am Christ's!"
--C.H. Spurgeon

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Calvinism

by Calvinist02 in

the basic 5 points of calvinism.

1. total depravity- all men are sinners.

we are totally corrupt and wicked.

SwedishChef

Sangdigger,
Amen brother. Thanks for the words of encouragement. It's not often I'm agreed with for my trust in the Bible. I'm sure the case is the same with you and with Calvinist02.
In a world where Christianity, the Bible, and even simple morals are under constant attack, we Bible believing Christians have to stick together!

"God has done all he can do, now its up to you to do the rest."
I have heard this many times myself, but I can't say I've ever heard this one:
"Poor God, he's trying to save you and you wont let him."

It is a disgrace when someone tries to make you feel sorry for God! We are the pitiful ones, whose righteousness is as filthy rags. Christ is the mighty champion of the cross, the Sovereign Lord and our Savior.

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

Dakota,
"John 1:1 has also been shown to be a poor translation,"

This is proof that you are the one turning a blind eye. Dakota, is that why almost every single translation says "the Word was God"?
Or is that why A.T. Robertson (world reknown Greek Scholar) said it was a proper translation? I don't see where you've shown it to be a poor translation.

The Bible says to show yourself friendly, and calling people ignorant whiny fools is not a way to do that. When was the last time I called you an ingorant fool Dakota?

"Again, I notice your usual lack of debate etiquette. When your point is effectively refuted, you swiftly change the subject, turning a blind eye to said refutation. Within 10 posts, you will once again make claim that none of your points have been refuted. Poor skills, Swedie, poor skills."

Contrary to what you would like to believe, I am not turning a "blind eye" to your refutations. But am I supposed to argue with you that its a misinterpretation? That the verse is out of context? How much good do you think that would do? You will say that your interpretation is right, and I will say mine is.

The truth is I don't buy into your refutations; because to me, they are a clear misinterpretation of scripture. I regard them as such. I am not afraid to admit I'm wrong, and I have done so before, but you have given me no reason to do so.