Posts by Iwasyoungonce

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United Brotherhood?? You MUST be joking!

by Lin in

i was born and raised a dub, and i've never been able to understand how jw's can claim to be a worldwide united "brotherhood" when there is so much racism within the org.

when i was 14, my father noticed that i liked a black teenage brother in our hall.

there wasn't anything to it, we weren't dating secrectly or otherwise, i simply liked him and thought he was a cutie.

Iwasyoungonce

Lin,

I'm going to pick this up again. I have a question. "If" the Watchtower put the Kybosh on racism, would that end the Jehovah Witness prejudice attitudes?

We all have our prejudice side. That is to be human. But, with the Jehovah Witnesses I have seen how they program young and old that if you leave the Tower of protection you will distroy yourself. Many of those that leave have great lives. But for some their narrisitic wounds are too deep to just move on. The labels are hurtful.

Are some forms of "labeling" OK? Or is it all just plain wrong.

My opinion is that some types of prejudices are good. Like knowing that if you join a group like the Jehovah Witnesses, or befriend them, or marry into them. You are not free to have an opposing opinion unless you keep it to yourself. They consider the WTS god by proxy. That is a prejudice attitude. But, one formed by over 10 years of personal experince and reading more material than I want to admit. Not a knee jerk reaction that my Dad, or an institution taught me.

"If you have tasted one grape on a cluster no matter how many more you taste, chances are not one is ever going to taste like beef steak."-Jerry Spence

My point of prejudice is a warning and the WTS admits it freely. But words like "apostate" they are meant to cause anger and thought stopping in the "Witnesses." Sometimes words used amongst friends can be said in good humor. But if an outsider uses them then they are swear words used to cut a person down. That is what I don't accept.

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Is there something at most people know that I dont

by gilwarrior in

everytime i get mad over something, all my feelings just come out.

today, i had a really bad day.

(if you read my last post, you know what i am talking about.

Iwasyoungonce

Gil, You said in an earlier post that you don't give a f**k. But if you read this then you do. And I'm glad because I do give a f**k or I would not post here.

You seem more than having an issue with a little low self esteem. I speak as one person who had to admit that he has a manic depressive issue. Mine was and is not Gambling, drugs, or sex. It is suffering from narrsistic wounds and watching my mother struggle with 3 kids when my Dad split for Reno. I did not understand this but as a kid I made the desion that I was going to make more money that anyone spend make in 10 life times. AND, I AM going to "save the world." And I will never be like my Dad. No one will control me. I will never try to put others under my thumb.

I have a type A personality with a workaholic mentality. NO vacations, NO time off, yadayada...Sometimes life is like surgery without pain managment. There are "legal" drugs (MIO inhibitors) that might change your life. You will need a phyc or a physi to evaluate you. But Gil this was the hardest thing for me to admit. That I had a problem and I can't want to control it. I don't mean your gambling either that is a symptom of the real problem. Even PTSD can cause this. And if you have a wound on the inside that no one but you can see we don't say or do what you need. The MIO's help to get things in order.

Think about it OK?

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Jehovah's Witnesses the Politicians

by kenpodragon in

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were in that time of year again, where elections are in full swing.

i have heard so many commercials telling me what to think and vote on, that i am just counting the days to when it all goes away.

every once in a while there will be programs on the television, where the two candidates debate.

Iwasyoungonce

I am called a bigot, a stupid bigot and a baby, (and worse) because I will not go to a KH again. How many times did I go...2. It was enough to know that this is not for me if I am supposed to sit there and shut up while all the rest of my world is as they call it "being slandered". Which was what I was told to do. I read wt material until this year. But, now I would only use it as Tp. The Silentlambs issue and finally having it out with the jw's (related to me) I am no longer even keeping up.

(Besides jwd is a full time thing if you let it.)

One question that I ask is "if" you can only know the Jehovah Witnesses by going to the Kingdom Halls and reading Watchtower material; And every other religion is a fake. Then I assume that each individual Witness knows this by personally going to each Religous Organization that they feel is fake; And reading that Organizations material. Otherwise that would kind of be bias, no?

How many times does one have to do to a Kingdom Hall or Book Study before an informed choice can be made that this is a false man made religion? How many other Religion's gatherings have you attended? And their offical Bible studies. Do you currently go to Church with anyone else. If not why should I go with you to yours? Are you Bias?

Did you know that if you think that one religion is the Only one True religion and all others have false gods and yours is the only true god then you are 99% athiest.

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Need help for someone hurting by JW rules.

by BeelzeDub in

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i know i have not properly introduced myself here yet.

i have been doing the fade from jw religion for about one year but may soon be d/a myself just before i speek out again the elders about what they are doing to someone close to me.

Iwasyoungonce

Beezledub,

It is that simple though it does not seem easy. The real fear is not that your family might or, might not shun you. The real fear is that "if" you throw down the gauntlet and say this is who I am. If you love me you will accept me for who I am and what I believe. If they say NO we will not accept you for who you are and this is who you have to be for us to love you, or even admit that you exist. If they do that, then you have to choose who you are real too, them, or you. Who is in control of you, them or you. Until you face this you do not really know who you are.

Beezledub real family never makes you choose. Real family accepts you as you are you are no puppet strings. It does not mean that you can do whatever whims your fancy but it does mean that they respect your authority over you. It seems most JW's rasied as such from birth have only known how to be a puppet. It's sad. But, you can choose to be who you want to be. But you have to want to want.

The real fear is that you might cave if you stand up for yourself. I have found that once you stand up for yourself it is quite easy. This is a game of poker. You have all the aces. They don't even have two of a kind. But they have one mean bluff.

Leave a bull shit family and be real; The family that replaces the fake one is the one that is real. That is who were always the real family. And the bonus is you can be real, and you can be happy.

No doubt there are the people who like the jw life. They like external controlers because then the feel free of personal responsibility. There will always be these groups. But there is only one of you Beezledub; And, there is only one of your friend.

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Letter to my family

by Elsewhere in

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for several months now i have been writing back and forth to the service dept asking them to explain the difference between "those who simply leave the faith" and those who "went out" (disassociate).

the reason i am curious about this is because "those who simply leave the faith" are not shunned, however those who "went out" (disassociated) are shunned.

i have written twice and received two replies.

Iwasyoungonce

I sent a letter. It pulled no punches.

I recommend it for closer to all who need or want it.

After that came the jw's calling about "respect" for elders.

I said I would respect them, but there is nothing to respect.

Then the matching of biblical wits.

They were crushed using the method of 2+2=4.

Then the namecalling which resulted in them no longer being welcome in my house.

Then with other JW family came the divide and make a conquest play. I did not "play."

I told them that they are not welcome anymore.

They no longer come.

I am happy

I wish the same to them.

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How many borders do you see?

by kenpodragon in

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recently my wife and i went down to the "four corners" marker in the united states.

for those who do not know what this is, it is the place where utah, arizona, colorado and new mexico all meet up at one location.

basically, you can stand on one spot and be in all four states.

Iwasyoungonce

Dragon I love reading your thoughts.

Thanks for sharing them.

Ideology is a frustrating thing. (The boarders) But it seems that you are off the "Merry Go Round." Have you begun to explore the rest of the "Amusement Park?" Is'nt it cool. There are so many rides to go on. And the cost of a ticket is showing up. I like rollercoasters. But my "Six flags" stock (symbol PKS) Uggh!"

I like the term "All" denominal. The last person that I talked to said that she and her Church is (not are) "Non" demonimal. I said ya but you still seperate yourself from almost everyone one and everything else. To which she yelled "WELL THAT IS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYONE ELSES RELIGION IS RIGHT!!!"

My reply was ya I know what you mean my faith is not perfect. Is yours?

I like "all" denominal people. They are willing to cross borders. And the other rides, they are fun. I think that "Faith" and "Religion" are not the same thing. I think that more people should pay attention to "Religous" ideology like they do "political" Ideology because often they go hand in hand.

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Need help for someone hurting by JW rules.

by BeelzeDub in

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friends

i know i have not properly introduced myself here yet.

i have been doing the fade from jw religion for about one year but may soon be d/a myself just before i speek out again the elders about what they are doing to someone close to me.

Iwasyoungonce

I'm sorry for thr heartache of your friend. And also for all the others who have suffered under the heavy hands of cowards. I have faith that one day we will stand together and then the power that these fools think they have...Their control will be broken!

To your question: "To your own heart thee must be true."

For me I held tight to the principle that there is no Biblical right for divorce. That divorce was due to cold hearts. I now see that I was wrong.

A wise soul helped to to see a different better way of living.

Matt:19 8-9& 10& 11-12

Q-If this is how it is (divorce only for unfaithfulness) between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry. (In otherwords "SCREW THAT!) I don't need the cheese in that trap that bad! (Run girls Ruuunnn!)

But Jesus then said (Chill out dudes) "This teaching does not apply to everyone, but only those whom God has given it. For there are different reason why some men can not marry (There are different reasons that some men are TOTAL assholes that are impossible to live with) some because they were born that way (born pricks); others because they men made them that way (follow traditions like those of the jw dogma) Others do not marry for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven (too caught up in the desire to be god, to blind to see the heaven right in front of them) Let him who can accept this teaching do so."

That last part (him who can) to me means that there are some people who marry that are not in the spirit of marriage. Get out!

But that is not jw dogma so it will not help. And the comments in parathises are my opinions. Jw's follow thier own traditions so don't think that you can just read the Bible or use common sense for guidence. If you are a JW then the Elder of your Kingdom hall is your Lord and you will give him the proper worship or risk disfellowshipping and the extinguishing of your eternal life.

Now this will help and is a true story in a KH in Washington. I have a friend and this friend has a sister in law that is a babletized jw. She and her idiot husband (he was and all agree) knew that they made a mistake 2 weeks after they got married. But there are no take backs in the jw dogma on marriage. And neither wanted to risk missing the everlasting bus that is just around the corner. So they both spent 4 years in "Life In Hell." Finally she left. But now, what to do? Can't divorce. So the guy had a brain fart. He talked to her best friend and explained that he needed to have sex to obtain a godly approved divorce. (I shit you not) It was called a divorce approved by Jehovah. They went to the Elders and said what they did. They repented and meant it. The sister in law said she has no grudge and will just obtain a divorce on scriptual grounds. A public reprove did take place but in light of the upcomming end of the system and the repenting of the people...Case Closed. And all parties can out with what they wanted. So if you have a friend that will be willing to help obtain a "Divorce that is approved by scripture and jehovah then there you go.) The kh was in Ellensberg? (sp).

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What did you do to piss the brothers off?

by Pleasuredome in

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when you were getting fed up with meetings before you gave up, was there anything you did to deliberately get on the brothers nerves?.

i turned up to a meeting once with jeans on, and a red top with cccp on it with the 'hammer and sickle'.

i also went to another bs group a few times so that if i wasnt at one group they'd think i was at the other and vice versa.

Iwasyoungonce

Orangefatcat,

You made me yell as I read about the brother who drank more than you.

I'll change the names to protect the names of the innocent.

I have a "friend" who has a story...

OK. This friend has a wife. She was disfellowshipped for "creating gossip." Of course she was not spreading the gossip, that was by other people. Apparently it is not a crime to "spread" gossip in some KH's it is a crime to be the subject of gossip. Well she said she is not going to stand in front of a bunch of men who will decide if or if not Jehovah will love her today or next week or ever. So df'ed for not showing up to her own linching. Later her sister was sleeping with her boyfriend. (Of course they we JUST sleeping on the bed...lol) when her dad came over, They lied and said that the boyfriend had just come over... Anyway this friends wife said that her sister is doing exactly what she was doing and got df'ed for.

The sister of this wife, who is my friend, said "No." The difference between us is you got caught. Of course when the gestopo did find out she cried real hard at the hearing and was privatly reproved because she really, really, did not want her mom to know.

The boyfriend was also babtized but I don't know if anything happened to him. (He is being groomed for eldership)

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Will God intervine?

by kelsey007 in

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friends

or is this life on earth only a testing or proving ground for an eternal life elsewhere?

as jw's we were taught that god will intervine in the world and bring the earth to a unified state under a theocratic government.

so, is man capable of maintaining the earth without intervention from a "higher source"?

Iwasyoungonce

All the problems of humanity were created by humanity. And what problems man creates man can fix. Once we as a species accept that then the world will be new place.

If there is no reality only perception then my perception is a world of wonder. This is an open mind. I accept this as opposed to a mind closed by belief.

Everyone in religondom keeps saying God is comming! God is comming!

I say God is here. Now get to work.

Death is a release to the only true freedom. I accept that. It fits quite nicely with "God is here right now." With me, and for me; And me for him, and us.

Have a happy day.

jayson

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What did you do to piss the brothers off?

by Pleasuredome in

jw
friends

when you were getting fed up with meetings before you gave up, was there anything you did to deliberately get on the brothers nerves?.

i turned up to a meeting once with jeans on, and a red top with cccp on it with the 'hammer and sickle'.

i also went to another bs group a few times so that if i wasnt at one group they'd think i was at the other and vice versa.

Iwasyoungonce

TresHappy...

Sometimes there is no other way.

Standing up for yourself is the first step in standing up for others.

Thank you.

Jay