One time I said, "I'm not sinful, I'm just human"
got some "LOOKS" I'll tell ya. Gee I said it smiling so they'd think I was sort of kiddin but I think they knew me better than that.
But I still feel that way now. Nor do I pray.
did it seem that jw's truly valued and promoted the avenue of prayer as a real force in one's life?
when you *sinned*, it was like you needn't bother jehovah with your pathetic self through prayer and a one on one with the almighty and receive peace and complete forgiveness via this precious privilege god provides.
oh no....you should talk with the elders and let them handle your pathetic, sinful self and leave jehovah and jesus out of it.
One time I said, "I'm not sinful, I'm just human"
got some "LOOKS" I'll tell ya. Gee I said it smiling so they'd think I was sort of kiddin but I think they knew me better than that.
But I still feel that way now. Nor do I pray.
the other day we went to a christening for one of andy's grand nephew's.
andy's neice is half aussie half italian and her husband is full italian...so what a grandiose affair it was...i loved every minute of it.
the first thing i noticed was all the gold...every male wore a gold necklace, usually italian gold and not aussie gold - apparently.
Okay so Italians wear gold. Does anyone know what Danish people wear? Cus all I get on is a pair of earrings now and then. My wedding ring which is not flashy. I'm sort of plain in that area. I love to look at jewelry but when I put it on me, I feel like I'm overdone.
i am curious how everyone feels about this subject.. if a family member or another person comes to see you, because they know you know something about jw's, how much should you tell them?.
should you tell everything you know or point them to books to read.............the bible, coc, true believer, etc?
this would be so they could read it for themselves.. if you no longer believe in god or the bible, or both, should you tell them this too?.
I'd never tell them that I was no longer a "believer" at all. The reason is, they may still well be a believer and it is not my place to try to destroy a faith that they find comfort in....that is, if they do. If they don't, they'd say so.
I'd ask open ended questions so that they do a lot of the talking. but mostly I would do as most here, tell them why I left...leaving as much emotion out of it as I can. If I were to say too much, it could make them back off and someone thinking about leaving the JWs are timid enough...one must be careful so that they can do it.
this was mentioned in a post earlier.
all of the responses were interesting.
many, however, dealt with the jw mentality and being of spiritual snobbery.. oh gawd folks it's everywhere!
This was mentioned in a post earlier. All of the responses were interesting. Many, however, dealt with the JW mentality and being of spiritual snobbery.
Oh gawd folks it's everywhere! I hear it in all walks of faith. Some of them are attacks mostly on those of us "choosing to live in the dark" because we do not accept Christianity as necessary for salvation. Some of us don't believe that there IS a salvation. I don't say that Christianity is not truth because to some people, it is. That's totally fine. But the table is turned with cold words when my beliefs, or the lack thereof, are mentioned. I'm not out to deconvert people. But I have been accused of leaving Christ because I wanted to not be 'answering to anyone'. That's garbage. I answer to myself. When I go in to a store, I do not shoplift because..
A) There may be security cameras watching me
B) Jesus can still see me
C) It never crosses my mind.
The answer, for me is C.
I've had many many things to deal with in my life. Like many others, I've had a large share of hardships dumped on me. Some that are circumstance, some are other people's fault, some are resident of bad choices made my myself (like not going to college!). But when I turned to my sister one time just to talk about what was heavy on my mind, she is now a very active Christian, I am told that she cannot relate to a person that cannot (or doesn't try to) understand the mind of christ. That I am suffering due to my lack of faith in Christ, bladdy bladdy bladdy. needless to say, I do not go to her for support. I got smacked by the bible enough as a JW. Oh that's another one, she mentions that the only reason I do not now accept christianity is due to being part of a cult like the JWs. I don't think that is true. I went in to that religion with a honest heart. Seeking God not to make myself "feel" better but because I really wanted to love God in the best way that I could. If that is the answer a true heart gets from Christ...no thanks, I won't ask again!
so I guess I posted this as a result of how I have been feeling lately. It isn't just the JWs that are often spiritual snobs (not all of them are just for the record). They are all around me here where I live. I keep my agnostic points of view very private of course. If I were to let people know where I stood on a lot of things, in my small town, my children would be shunned by their friends parents. Where as, they can go on forever about their love for Jesus and this does not bother me in the least. I don't agree that it is vital to life to have it but I do not tell them this. I do wonder why things are this way. I seem to be far more tolerant of all people now than I was as a christian. The closed doors of the JW religion did not sit well with me that is why I did leave after 8 years in that depressingly bleak world.
But now, I have absolutley no desire to find God as I did before. So spiritual snobbery is everywhere. Believing that your beliefs keep you safe...fine. Judging others for not sharing those beliefs is what persecution is all about. If it isn't religions attacking one another, its them attacking those of us that do not have one.
For what it's worth,
Tera( who doesn't need the fear of god to behave herself)
what can i say ...... except i felt a little "strained" after reading it.. hawk.
http://www.herald.co.zw/index.php?id=15884&pubdate=2002-11-07.
woman (50) kills would-be rapist .
Theres a woman with balls.
Hooray at last it actually happened the way it should.
believing himself invisible, man robs banks
tehran (reuters) - iranian police are looking for a phony sorcerer who conned a man into believing he was invisible and could rob banks, the jam-e jam newspaper said thursday.. customers at a tehran bank quickly overpowered the deluded robber after he started snatching banknotes from their hands.. appearing in court, the repentant thief said he paid five million rials ($625) to a man who gave him some spells and told him to tie them to his arm to become invisible.. "i made a mistake.
i understand now what a big trick was played on me," the would-be bank robber was reported as telling the judge.
You have GOT to be kidding.
queen lizzie shed tears yesterday at a remebrance service.
maybe it was just the result of another annus horribilis.
englishman.edited by - englishman on 8 november 2002 11:2:15.
aw.
My son just loves the queen. He was probably British in his past life.
i left the jw's at 16 - df'd actually, 17 years ago.
it was horrific.
i lost friends, to some extent family etc.
Very happy ending. That was nice to hear.
my site (
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/
) has been visited by people from 97 different countries.
How I heard it was that I was concieved in Texas,
born and started school in california
then raised and now STUCK in Montana.
Edited by - terabletera on 7 November 2002 17:15:41
sometimes, the gender of a poster is relatively easy to deduce due to their style of posting, and, dare i say it, their choice of vocabulatory.
but sometimes it is difficult to know if you are "talking" to a man or a woman (or homosexual).
ok, right away, i hear protests of "what the heck does it matter?
I LOVE beer.
But I am all girl.