Posts by rebel

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Ooooh them nasty 'ol JW's

by ScoobySnax in

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just nasty.

tch, what to do eh, i ask you.

pesky sorts, poking about in buisness not of they're own.jws eh?

rebel

ScoobySnax,

I can tell you are being a little sarcastic here

If JWs are right, as you believe, why do you find it too difficult to fall in line with their beliefs? You have said yourself that you like your life the way it is now (doing all the things JWs disapprove of ) and yet you LIKE the Memorial, conventions etc. You LIKE the JWs way of life - you just don't want to do it. You seem to want the best of both worlds. You don't want to live as a JW - that's too difficult and restrictive and doesn't give you freedom to think for yourself. And yet you stick up for them and say we are picking on them. I don't really understand you. I am not being insulting - I would just like to know what you are talking about. I find you very puzzling.

Either the WTS is right - in which case stick with them. or it is wrong - in which case get out. They wouldn't have any loyalty towards you, you know. If they wanted to, they would kick you out of the congregation and shun you - that's the sort of organisation you are sticking up for. Don't give them the opportunity to do this to you.

Plus - remember. If you were a member of one of the churches of 'Christendom' (as JWs like to call all Christian churches other than them) and decided to leave that church and just go your own way, members of those churches would still treat you like a human being. If you are a JW and you decide you want to leave, you will be treated like a leper. Can't you see that? Can't you see the difference?

Just my thoughts

xxR

PS - Yes they DO poke about in business not of their own - you got that one right.

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Causing divisions is doing God's will!

by rebel in

i was speaking to hubby tonight.

i was explaining why i can't and won't go back to the kh.

i tried to explain my feelings as best i could without annoying him or making him feel upset.

rebel

ScoobySnax - thanks for your comments. I know you still view the WTS as having the truth, going by your past posts. But I am convinced they don't. I know I am right and hubby is wrong. It is hard to watch someone you care about swearing allegiance to a cult. I try to be mild. I don't start arguments - I just stick up for my opinion. I know the WTS is not the true religion and I won't live a lie any longer.

Chap - thanks for your mild and reasonable comments. I really don't go out of my way to be argumentative. I just answer when he asks me questions and the discussion can get quite heated.

Francois - interesting article. I will read it in more detail later. Not sure what hubby will make of it.

A Paduan - I agree. My husband can't see the wood for the trees. He is so 'in' the organisation he can't see or think anything else. I suppose I need to be patient and see what happens. But it gets me so agitated - especially the pressure to attend meetings. He is as convinced he is right as I am that he is wrong.

Thanks for all your help.

xxR

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Causing divisions is doing God's will!

by rebel in

i was speaking to hubby tonight.

i was explaining why i can't and won't go back to the kh.

i tried to explain my feelings as best i could without annoying him or making him feel upset.

rebel

Neyank,

Thank you for this. I got so tied up with trying to think of reasons to explain why Jesus didn't want to cause divisions, I completely lost my thread and didn't stop to think that this is not referring to the WTS at all. I must try to remember to keep this at the front of my mind - that the scriptures used by the WTS to refer to themselves are actually referring to God or Jesus.

It is easy to see this now. It is not so easy to keep a clear head when my husband is staring at me accusingly with smoke coming out of his nostrils.

xxR

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Causing divisions is doing God's will!

by rebel in

i was speaking to hubby tonight.

i was explaining why i can't and won't go back to the kh.

i tried to explain my feelings as best i could without annoying him or making him feel upset.

rebel

I totally agree with you Outlaw. I know what a bunch of hypocrites are running this cult. That's why I want to try to get my husband to see reason. I want him to see the answers for himself from the Bible because that is the only thing he would be willing to listen to. He is really into the 'truth' and is so indoctrinated, it is difficult to get through to him without using the Bible.

xxR

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Causing divisions is doing God's will!

by rebel in

i was speaking to hubby tonight.

i was explaining why i can't and won't go back to the kh.

i tried to explain my feelings as best i could without annoying him or making him feel upset.

rebel

I was speaking to hubby tonight. I was explaining why I can't and won't go back to the KH. I tried to explain my feelings as best I could without annoying him or making him feel upset. I mentioned many issues including the shunning policy and the fact that the WTS encourages families to break up because of it. He read me the following:

Matt 10:33-39 "..but whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens. Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man's enemies will be persons of his own household. He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. He that finds his soul will lose it, and he that loses his soul for my sake will find it."

I tried to explain that Jesus was just emphasising the importance of following him whole-souled if you truly wanted to be acceptable to him, but I didn't think he meant he wanted to break up families - the family unit is important to God.

What else could I have said? I was a bit stumped by this scripture. I know many of you don't believe in the Bible. I am still in the process of looking into it, but I would like to give him a scriptural answer because that is all he will listen to. What exactly did Jesus mean by those words? Hubby thinks it means that, if you leave the 'truth', you must expect to be shunned by your family. He said the family are not doing anything wrong by shunning a wayward one - the person leaving is the guilty party and must take full responsibility for whatever happens to them.

I'd appreciate any help you can give. I know what I want to say but I can't think of the words or other scriptures to back up what I say.

xxR

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4 Deceptions in the Require Brochure

by blondie in

i read this post by libby on channel c and thought it was very insightful and thought-provoking for both non-jws and jws.. posted by libby on wed - apr 2 - 11:32am: .

greetings fellow posters, .

deceptions 1 & 2: in paragraph #1 the reader is told that the bible is like a letter from a loving father to his children.

rebel

Anglise,

I know what you mean and thanks for the advice. But I honestly don't go out of my way to antagonise him. Basically he asks me if I'm going to the meeting - I say no. He asks if I'm going out on field service with him - I say no. He asks if I'm going to the Memorial - I say no etc etc. He knows I am going to say no but still asks continually and then gets annoyed when I say no. Sometimes he loads the pressure on so I go just to keep him off my back - he can make things awkward with the rest of the family otherwise. He isn't a bad guy but is such a control freak it drives me nuts.

As for the Require Brochure, I have never looked at it really closely before. I didn't really look at any of the brochures in real depth but I am going to do this now. It is getting easier to spot the loaded language and dig out the subtle lies in their publications.

xxR

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4 Deceptions in the Require Brochure

by blondie in

i read this post by libby on channel c and thought it was very insightful and thought-provoking for both non-jws and jws.. posted by libby on wed - apr 2 - 11:32am: .

greetings fellow posters, .

deceptions 1 & 2: in paragraph #1 the reader is told that the bible is like a letter from a loving father to his children.

rebel

Wow Blondie!

And this is only from the first 3 paragraphs of the brochure. I think I will go over the whole brochure with a fine tooth-comb and see what comes up.

I must show these paragraphs to my 'loving' hubby and see how he responds (although he is pretty predictable). I have rubbed him up the wrong way so much this past week, he is starting to shun me Now I have got to the stage where I don't think it can get any worse.

xxR

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Your most powerful spiritual saying is?????

by anti-absolutist in

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we all go through times of stress and sad times.

what is a simple, yet profound saying that you have reminded yourself of to make these troubling times easier?

you don't have to believe in a literal god, just that there are higher thoughts within us that we all are able to draw from.. the one that has worked the best for me is: .

rebel

I have always liked:

"True love doesn't have a happy ending. True love has no ending."

All I need to do now is find true love

xxR

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Women raised as JWs: Did the WTS views on women negatively impact you?

by berylblue in

i'd really like to know.. my experience was that women who were raised in the "truth" and married to a good jw brother did not know how to make decisions.

from reading this board, this would, however, appear to be the least of their problems.. what specifically, if any, were the problems associated with always being told you were a second class person and not capable of making decisions?.

rosemarie

rebel

I always hated the WTS views on women. I was a mouthy so-and-so when I became a JW and always found the whole submission thing very difficult. Being a JW really wore me down and made me quite ill, I think. I hated having to obey the eejits we had as elders in my congregation. Some of these guys were real morons, they would do everything back to front and we just had to go along with it. What really annoyed me was they way other sisters would go all stupid and fawning over elders and MSs. Yuk!

And weren't husbands supposed to treat their wives the way Christ treated his apostles? I wish someone would have told my husband that!

xxR

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What should we reply when invited to memorial?

by bluesapphire in

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when my mil invites my husband to the memorial he plans on saying, "well i've already been to the memorial before.

if you've been there once, there's no need to go again since the talk is the same mumbo-jumbo year after year and i'm not anointed anyway.".

what do you plan on saying or have you said?

rebel

I told my husband "No thanks - I'll be watching Coronation Street."

He was NOT amused!

xxR