CyrusThePersian

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  The "Fade" - Evaluating A New Phenomenon

  by slimboyfat in

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  to what extent has the growth of the "fade" been facilitated by internet forums such as this?

  sure there were people who chose to fade in the pre-internet era, simply by withdrawing themselves, gradually involving themselves with non-witnesses to a greater extent, or getting in touch with other ex-witnesses covertly through the convention system/telephone and mailing support network that used to be more important before the advent of the internet.

  so the "fade" is not an invention of the internet era, not en entirely "new phenomenon".

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  3. And what effect has the increase in the incidence of the "fade" had on local congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  Not so much the increase, but the quality of the fade is what's important. In the old, pre-internet days, a fader was almost certain to come back into the fold at some point. The old "Where else can I go?" philosophy. That's all changing now, thanks to the internet. There ARE other places to go now. Not only do Ex-JW meet-ups and internet groups offer therapeutic encouragement but they also give advice on social alternatives so that these lost souls who have been stifled, sheltered JWs all their lives can now open up to the big wonderful world out there.

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  I didn't tell you guys about my cool "new" toy!!!

  by Nosferatu in

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  i bought this thing at a garage sale a couple of weekends ago for fifty cents.

  all i had to do was replace the batteries and it works fine!.

  it's a trs-80 pocket computer (model pc-3) that you can program in basic.

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  I used to have one of those! The only thing I did with it was use the calculator part. I also didn't have the nifty printer attachment. Oh well...
  
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  Favorite Heinlein Quotes...

  by Justice-One in

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  "an armed society is a polite society.

  manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

  " - robert a. heinlein.

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  My all-time favorite Heinlein quote:

  " What are the facts? Again and again and again--What are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what 'the stars foretell,' avoid opinion, care not what he neighbors think, never mind the unguessable 'verdict of history'--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!"

  This one quote, from "Time Enough for Love" sparked an epiphany of sorts in me. I began to question everything I learned or thought I knew. It eventually helped me leave the org.

  Heinlein had an amazing talent for getting across his Libertarian viewpoints through his science fiction. Of course, I don't agree with all his opinions, but he does make a compelling case for them.

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  Big news!!! Our deliverance is at hand!!!

  by Justice-One in

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  from time to time i humor the wife and go with her to the hall.

  i was raised in "the truth" but quit believing more than ten years ago.

  but this morning i was "shocked" to hear that "our deliverance is at hand!!!

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  Also I learned for the first time today that the "scrolls" that will be opened in the new system, will most likely be printed for us just like the Bible. We will then have to study them, and have meetings, just like we do today...with the Elders leading the way.

  Ewwwwww!! If this is what the new system is going to be like, then count me the hell out!!

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  "What congregation do you attend?"

  by Odrade in

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  heehee, forgot my post.

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  (At this point I really REALLY wanted to ask her which elders moved out. Ha! But I didn't)

  
  

  
  That's what I would have asked her!

  You're right of course, she will never call you. She was probably shivering the whole way home "...ooooooh Evil Apostates!! I can't believe I got that close to them! ...must bathe seven times!!"

  Good for you to give the straight, no-holds-barred answer. You have nothing to fear from Jehovah's Witnesses!

  Now if only I had the guts to say something like that to my daughter!

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  Do you see your self remarrying?

  by Cabin in the woods in

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  given your past life experiences and your current enlightenment would you ever get into that level of commitment again?.

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  Not just no, but HELL no.

  
  

  
  My sentiments exactly!

  I divorced Sister Uber-Dub in 1997. I don't think I could ever go down that trail again. What you get out of a marriage just isn't worth what you put in it.

  CyrusThePersian

  P.S. Welcome Back Frannie! Good to hear from you again!
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  Where is the historical evidence of Gentile Times Reconsidered on the web?

  by stev in

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  i was talking to someone about the book the gentile times reconsidered by carl olaf jonsson, and the historical evidence about the 70 years that is presented there.

  i had studied the book years ago, and made a timetable myself and became convinced.

  my friend would like to see the evidence for himself so he can he make up his own mind.

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  Hi Steve

  Is your friend a witness? If so, you can't get more simple than Alleymom's KISS approach found here:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/1.ashx

  Read the entire thread. She systematically destroys the Watchtower chronology in a simple easy to understand format

  Hope this helps.

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  Circuit Overseers Tales of Grief and Woe

  by Balaams Ass in

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  <div>hi i am in the middle of writing some memoirs of my time on the travelling work.

  well anyone be interested in reading them?????

  i have some heavy editing to do to protect identies and the like, but i should be finished at the end of the week.

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  I definitely want to read your memiors. Are you going to post them here or make them available as a downloadable document?

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  Made to live forever?

  by mavie in

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  here is the outline.

  man was made to live forever (9 min.).

  scientists are uncertain why man dies (g88 10/8 24; g90 4/22 4).

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  Cyrus, first time I've heard your line of reasoning. I think the JW answer would be along the lines of "Jehovah can accomplish all things, new lasting teeth would be a minor fix".

  This is true, a miracle working God could change things. However, the thrust of the talk is that humans were DESIGNED to live forever from the beginning and that simply isn't true and our teeth are proof.

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  Made to live forever?

  by mavie in

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  here is the outline.

  man was made to live forever (9 min.).

  scientists are uncertain why man dies (g88 10/8 24; g90 4/22 4).

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  Hi!

  As for the 10% of the brain malarky check this link:

  http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

  A possible objection to the idea of humans living forever is our teeth. We only have one set of permanent adult teeth. if we lose those, due to accident, decay or just plain wear, they are gone forever. If we were meant to live forever, why didn't God design us with teeth that grow back? If God gives us the ability to live forever in the future he will have to radically redesign the skulls of the Armageddon survivors and their offspring to accomodate new teeth to replace those that wear out.

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