Posts by logansrun

I'm having the darndest time sending you a PM. I keep "replying" to you and it doesn't register on my "sent messages" page. I've PMd someone else and it did register, so I don't know what's up. Can you let me know if you've received them and it's just not showing up on my page so we can continue our hot love affair?

Bradley

**Just kidding folks....no hot love affair, I don't even really know her. We just have some common Chicago connections. hehe

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Best definition of the Bible I've ever seen...

by logansrun in

this was emailed to me from a friend...

the old testament is a compilation of convenient myth and a history of racial justification and aggrandisement, threaded through with rules of hygiene and behaviour, all devised to convince the children of israel that as god's chosen race, no matter what calamities befell them as victims of babylon and egypt and no matter what calamities they wantonly inflicted on other races and religions, they should strive to increase in number, power and extent.

the new testament, as expressed in the four gospels, is a dispensation from the narrow and proscriptive uncharity of the jews, appealing to the greek and latin temperament.

logansrun

This was emailed to me from a friend...

The Old Testament is a compilation of convenient myth and a history of racial justification and aggrandisement, threaded through with rules of hygiene and behaviour, all devised to convince the Children of Israel that as God's chosen race, no matter what calamities befell them as victims of Babylon and Egypt and no matter what calamities they wantonly inflicted on other races and religions, they should strive to increase in number, power and extent.

The New Testament, as expressed in the four Gospels, is a dispensation from the narrow and proscriptive uncharity of the Jews, appealing to the Greek and Latin temperament. And the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistles of St Paul, that sanctimonious master of self-adulation, record his efforts, physical and intellectual, to reverse the generosity of Christ's Christianity and wrestle the hopeful new religion back into the stifling folds of Jewish law and custom.

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WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

by iiz2cool in

my wife, who is intent on re-activating herself as a dub since i da'd myself, went to the convention this past weekend.

she showed me this new publication entitled "learn from the great teacher", and placed great emphasis on these two pages i scanned and am posting.

it makes a poor show of telling children what to do when confronted by a child abuser.

logansrun

SheilaM,

Okay, okay...I'm being pedantic with your statment . The Society will quote from "worldly" sources on occassion and may have inquired from psychologists on how to handle this sensative matter. I've been to the Gilead library and there are rows upon rows of "worldly" publications including books by non-JW Bible scholars, Darwin's Origin of Species and a self-help book by Norman Vincent Peale! (I was floored when I saw that!) So, it's entirely possible that the Society did use some information from proffessionals in the writing of this publication.

Of course that doesn't mean they wouldn't pick and choose what they want to print. It also is no guarantee that they didn't get advice from bad psychologists. I saw a self-help book by Dr. James Dobson of "Focus on the Family" fame and was appalled at the ludicrous drivel which puncuated the good advice found in the book. (Dobson is an evangelical Christian psychologist, btw)

So, all in all, I'm being nit-pickey. I just like to be as accurate as possible in any polemic against the dubs.

Pettygrudger -- good comments and I agree with your assesment.

Bradley

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WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

by iiz2cool in

my wife, who is intent on re-activating herself as a dub since i da'd myself, went to the convention this past weekend.

she showed me this new publication entitled "learn from the great teacher", and placed great emphasis on these two pages i scanned and am posting.

it makes a poor show of telling children what to do when confronted by a child abuser.

logansrun

SheilaM,

But, I believe the WORST yes the WORST thing they did was advise children without consulting a therapist on exactly what and how to write that information.

How do you know they didn't?

Bradley

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The Bibles Viewpoint - Does God Change?

by Surreptitious in

the bibles viewpoint.

does god change?.

anthropologist george dorsey described the god of the "old testament" as "a savage god.

logansrun

On the other hand, in both parts of the Bible, Jehovah is presented as the righteous Judge of those who repeatedly, grossly, and unrepentantly violate his laws and harm others

You mean just like Uzzah, the guy who Jehovah nuked because he wanted to keep the Ark of the Covenant from falling over? Yeah, he was a gross, unrepentent wrongdoer who did this a number of times before God passed judgment on him.

B

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The 10 point resolution adopted at the 2003 District Conventions

by crownboy in

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as most of you probably already know, from time to time the watchtower society likes to use district conventions as a platform for adopting silly resolutions, which more than likely are forgotten by the people who gave their approval to it by the time they leave the parking lot of the convention.

this year, during the final talk of the convention (talk entitled: "keep bearing much fruit to jehovah's glory"), a ten point resolution was adopted, with all the baby seal-like clapping following its adoption.

here's the main jist of the ten points (i didn't copy it word for word):.

logansrun

Resolutions at JW conventions are nothing more than a cheap trick to raise the excitement level of the rank and file. Newer ones in the organization are misled into thinking that something special just happened with that resolution when, in fact, it's nothing more than a pathetic re-hash of the last year's worth of Watchtowers.

Maybe they should just have fireworks after the convention like they do to get the attendence up at baseball games. Everyone would go home happy.

Bradley

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WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

by iiz2cool in

my wife, who is intent on re-activating herself as a dub since i da'd myself, went to the convention this past weekend.

she showed me this new publication entitled "learn from the great teacher", and placed great emphasis on these two pages i scanned and am posting.

it makes a poor show of telling children what to do when confronted by a child abuser.

logansrun

SheilaM,

I am disgusted by the lack of concrete advice to the children. The advice telling them that Jehovah will protect then makes me want to throw-up the poor kids that are abused will think 'why didn't he protect me". Damn them

I agree that it is totally ludicrous to tell children God would protect them, but the Society didn't exactly say that this would always be the case. They admitted that there would be times where God would have to correct the wrong in the new system -- hence showing God would not intervene on all occassions. Also, there are numerous Christian groups that talk about God protecting people or "saving the day." Look at all the Catholics that go to great lengths to get "blessed" or "healed" at some "holy place." The JWs aren't unique in teaching such balderdash ie, divine intervention.

I do take some issue with you saying the Society doesn't give enough "concrete advice to the children." This simply isn't true. The book explains exactly what wrongful touching is, so much so that some here are annoyed that they are so explicit (read: concrete, specific)! The book then admonishes the child to forcefully say, "No! I'm going to tell on you." That is just the type of advice children need to be told. I agree that the Society doesn't do a perfectly fantastic job in handling the issue, but to say they haven't done something is just not true.

Bradley

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Where is the evidence

by KGB in

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many of you make claim that god does not exist, you say that you found your evidence in the bible, what i want to know is where is the evidence.

i am not interested in just mere thoughts but actuall evidence

logansrun

hooberus,

Dansk said: The onus is on the believer to prove the existence of God - from sources outside of the Bible (and any other religious book)!
Nature is a source. The creation had a creator.

First off, that line of reasoning has a fatal flaw as dr wtsn pointed out: who created the creator? If you point to the "design" in nature and say it must have an intelligence behind it reason dictates that the designer is more complex and wonderful than that which he designs, no? So that creates an even bigger problem -- you have to account for the incredibly complex being which is not designed. Back to square one.

For the sake of argument, let's say there is a designer/creator. Where does it stand to reason that this God is the God of the Bible? How do you know it is not the Allah of the Koran or some God that has not revealed himself? These are live possibilities which you ignore.

Quoting from the Bible to support the Bible is not very scientific. If the Koran says, "Allah exists!" is that a very good reason to become a Muslim?

Bradley

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Where is the evidence

by KGB in

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friends

many of you make claim that god does not exist, you say that you found your evidence in the bible, what i want to know is where is the evidence.

i am not interested in just mere thoughts but actuall evidence

logansrun

Awakened and Free,

Look around you, Dansk. What do you see? Who created your very own eyes that enable you to physically see your surroundings ... that is, enable you to see God's marvelous creations? How about the ability to rationalize? How about our marvelous body, and all it's amazing functions?

Have you ever heard of natural selection?

Bradley