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  Can we excuse the R&F for ever ?

  by Phizzy in

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  generally i go along with it when posters express pity and sympathy for the r&f jw's.

  i feel this way toward them too, to a degree.. but where do we draw the line ?

  we know that jw's do not have a conscience of their own really, they are told how to think and act, and they have to obey.. just as those living in nazi germany were told how to think and act, and had to obey.. but, " i was just following orders " was not taken as a valid defense at nuremburg.. as the wt descends in to becoming more and more like north korea in its do not question, simply obey !

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  Laika

  DA'ing didn't mean absolute shunning until the late 70s/early 80s right? Does that count or is that further back than we're looking? I'm also pretty sure they've got stricter on further education.

  And they do seem to go on about shunning and apostasy a lot, I can't say it's more than they used to because I've not been paying attention long enough but at least it doesn't appear as if they're generally loosening their authority.

  Not to mention that about 6 or 7 years ago, whilst I was aware of the GB as a group, I and I think a lot of JWs could not have named any or more than a few individuals, but now the GB seem to appear in all the videos, hold a prominent AGM and international conventions where they all get to feature, any devout JW could name several or all of the GB. They're pushing themselves more of recent.

  And finally if Adam was raised a JW in what sense is it fair to say he was never a JW?
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  Live debate tonight: Bill Nye (evolution) vs Ken Ham (creationism)

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i thought i'd share since i figured some on this forum would be interested being that the same topic has been debated numerous times here.

  http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/03/why-im-debating-the-science-guy-about-creationism/?hpt=hp_t2.

  i wish i was able to see it but i'm assuming i'll be able to catch it on youtube or transcripts.

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  Laika

  Ken Ham is not a scientist, he's a clown, and it's providing funding to Ken's creation museum! How can Bill think this is good for science!? Terrible idea.
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  Live debate tonight: Bill Nye (evolution) vs Ken Ham (creationism)

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i thought i'd share since i figured some on this forum would be interested being that the same topic has been debated numerous times here.

  http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/03/why-im-debating-the-science-guy-about-creationism/?hpt=hp_t2.

  i wish i was able to see it but i'm assuming i'll be able to catch it on youtube or transcripts.

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  Laika

  I don't understand why Bill would agree to this debate, sounds like a bad idea.
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  There Is No Key To Happiness!

  by abiather in

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  religions make it appear that there is a key to happiness and give the impression that they have the key, and enjoy people always look to them for happiness!.

  interestingly, jesus meant there is no key to happiness, but it is the very nature of all human beings.

  (luke 17:21) people like jws did not even translate this verse properly.

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  Laika

  I find it very odd that a thread called 'there is no key to happiness' is dedicated to explaining the key to happiness.
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  I went to church today.

  by quellycatface in

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  and it was good!!

  everyone dressed differently, some casually, some smart-a real mix.i would say there were 70 or so in attendance, all ages.nice atmosphere.ladies behind introduced themselves.young couple in front also.nice songs.toys for the kids.refreshments after.had a little chat with the lady vicar, she asked if i would come again.i felt welcome but not overwhelmed.jesus focused more predominantly than at the kh.i really enjoyed it..

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  Laika

  Plased for you Quelly. I think it's a good experience even if you don't believe, another way to expose the Watchtower's lies.
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  Ex- Jehovers Witnesses finds Christ...

  by new hope and happiness in

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  recentley i read ray franz book " christian freedom" and it occurd to me if he had lost his faith and become athiest the society would have delighted in that.

  i think had ray turned athiest it would have been more easily " justified" in the mags what a " evil man he was" ....but maintaining his faith left the possibillity the society could be wrong.. .

  i am athiest but i kept this to myself when i left... any comments?.

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  I think you're right, in the same way it may have been a good thing that he never joined another established church and held on to a few unorthodox views, such as anti-trinitarian, annihilationist etc...
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  Sunday School etc....

  by quellycatface in

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  i have never understood why the jw's did'nt have a sunday school or some kind of educational thing going for children.

  it seems pretty selfish and antiquated.. i remember growing up, i was terrified of "satan" and "the demons".

  not forgetting the "jehovah is watching you" crapola.. i think it's wrong letting young kids listen to fairly adult themed talks, items etc....it's got to affect them mentally.. any thoughts?.

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  Laika

  Considering the Society's refusal to run crb checks or do anything resembling protection of children I actually find it a great relief that they don't provide any kind of youth ministry.
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  Decided on the local C of E Church.

  by quellycatface in

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  have decided to check out my local parish church.

  it has a real mix of people.

  old, young families and military personnel/families.

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  Laika

  High church Anglican for me too, 12 minute sermons ftw. :)

  Enjoy Quelly!
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  Should I allow my mom to see the grandchildren?

  by confusedandalone in

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  so i am not officially da/do yet and my family has shunned me hard.

  today crying my mother calls me to beg to see my children... should i let her?

  i feel that if you can speak abusive of your own son and wife and shun the.

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  Laika

  Well, if you want to maintain a relationship with your mom you could agree on the condition that she treats you normal. I don't think you should agree without any conditions.
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  What do Baptists believe?

  by quellycatface in

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  i'm thinking about going to church again because i'm really interested in god (today)!!.

  sometimes i'm so confused and feel like there is no god, other days i do and want to try and get to know him.. i guess i'm scared because of all the bs that went on in the kh.. there is a local baptist church near me that seems nice.

  i'm in the uk.

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  Laika

  Did you try the ship of fools website that Jgnat posted? Look up the churches in your area and see if any seem to have the style you're looking for. Just take it slow, don't rush into anything, enjoy the journey.