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  Memorial 2014: Wrong date?

  by AnnOMaly in

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  this was meant to have nice inserted pictures and tidy hyperlinks but the forum's being glitchy today.

  so unfortunately it's going to be a messy post where you're going to have to exercise your tapping fingers and click on the links to the pics to see what i'm referring to.

  sorry about that.. in the article recently studied "do this in remembrance of me" (w13 12/15), there is a box on p. 23 giving the date of this year's memorial and how that date is arrived at.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013926.

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  Laika

  Thanks Ann, any ideas on how they got this wrong? I'm sure I've read on here before that this is not the first time they've made this mistake? Weird.
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  I don't believe the JWs will ever change and say the 144,000 is "symbolic"

  by booker-t in

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  it will never happen.

  because that will definitely be the "final nail" in their coffin.

  jws will not stand for it any longer.

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  Laika

  If they chance then they can point out it's being figurative may even include less than 144,000. Increases control.
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  took a break, I'm back. how has everyone been?

  by unstopableravens in

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  i had to take time away, missed everyone.

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  Laika

  I am getting by, thanks for asking!
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  took a break, I'm back. how has everyone been?

  by unstopableravens in

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  i had to take time away, missed everyone.

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  Laika

  Oh Yay! It's good to see you, how's the family?
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  By saying things like magic are bad, do the WTS imply that it exists?

  by DuvanMuvan in

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  2. beliefs

  i was wondering why they're so uptight about magical things (cough cough sparlock cough) and was just remembering some quotes in the publications about demons and stuff i saw on another thread and i seriously think that they believe this stuff is real.. once i asked my mum why previously she said not to watch magicians because they're bad blah blah when it wasn't real, hence the term magic trick.

  she admitted that while most of them are probably innocent, she still thinks some of them (anyone heard of dynamo?

  ) have some demonic power behind them.. i seriously wanna hear some other views on this .

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  Laika

  My Mum thinks Dynamo is possessed as well.
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  I just got to play householder!

  by Laika in

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  i was a little nervous and a bit dazed, i think i will do better next time.

  he offered me the memorial invite, i told him i had jw family who would invite me and he got interested and wanted to find out more, so i told him i wasn't interested in the jw religion, he asked why and i said i find it too controlling.

  he thought i was talking about moral rules so started on about how jehovah doesn't want to restrict us 'blah blah', so i pointed out that i meant they're not allowed to read certain materials which is wrong if it's as true as they are confident of.. he then went on about how satan uses false teaching to manipulate us and so we have to be careful of what we read.

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  Laika

  Thanks all,

  Blitz is an apt description Data dog, before I used my example about the Catholic he managed to complain both about the Koran and teenage pregnancy.

  I couldn't keep on track.
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  I just got to play householder!

  by Laika in

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  i was a little nervous and a bit dazed, i think i will do better next time.

  he offered me the memorial invite, i told him i had jw family who would invite me and he got interested and wanted to find out more, so i told him i wasn't interested in the jw religion, he asked why and i said i find it too controlling.

  he thought i was talking about moral rules so started on about how jehovah doesn't want to restrict us 'blah blah', so i pointed out that i meant they're not allowed to read certain materials which is wrong if it's as true as they are confident of.. he then went on about how satan uses false teaching to manipulate us and so we have to be careful of what we read.

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  Laika

  Thanks Kate, I think I let him dictate the conversation too much though, he did about 75% of the talking!

  I think he was a pioneer, though I base this on nothing but he was calling on me at 12.30pm when your average publisher would be down the coffee shop. We exchanged names at the end btw, do you guys think I'll be a return visit?

  Another thing, when I said I had JW family, he responded 'Oh you have family in the truth?' JW language is so habitual they forget to turn it off with non-JWs which is a little embarrassing.
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  I just got to play householder!

  by Laika in

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  i was a little nervous and a bit dazed, i think i will do better next time.

  he offered me the memorial invite, i told him i had jw family who would invite me and he got interested and wanted to find out more, so i told him i wasn't interested in the jw religion, he asked why and i said i find it too controlling.

  he thought i was talking about moral rules so started on about how jehovah doesn't want to restrict us 'blah blah', so i pointed out that i meant they're not allowed to read certain materials which is wrong if it's as true as they are confident of.. he then went on about how satan uses false teaching to manipulate us and so we have to be careful of what we read.

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  Laika

  Ecan6, that was brilliant, what a legend!
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  I just got to play householder!

  by Laika in

  1. jw
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  i was a little nervous and a bit dazed, i think i will do better next time.

  he offered me the memorial invite, i told him i had jw family who would invite me and he got interested and wanted to find out more, so i told him i wasn't interested in the jw religion, he asked why and i said i find it too controlling.

  he thought i was talking about moral rules so started on about how jehovah doesn't want to restrict us 'blah blah', so i pointed out that i meant they're not allowed to read certain materials which is wrong if it's as true as they are confident of.. he then went on about how satan uses false teaching to manipulate us and so we have to be careful of what we read.

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  Laika

  I was a little nervous and a bit dazed, I think I will do better next time. He offered me the memorial invite, I told him I had JW family who would invite me and he got interested and wanted to find out more, so I told him I wasn't interested in the JW religion, he asked why and I said I find it too controlling. He thought I was talking about moral rules so started on about how Jehovah doesn't want to restrict us 'blah blah', so I pointed out that I meant they're not allowed to read certain materials which is wrong if it's as true as they are confident of.

  He then went on about how Satan uses false teaching to manipulate us and so we have to be careful of what we read. I used the example of a Catholic, if he called on one this morning who refused to read his books because they don't come from a catholic source he would think he was not sufficiently challenging his beliefs, as you need to get different viewpoints to make a proper perspective.

  He then started to rant about the Trinity, and said he wouldn't read a book on the Trinity because he knows it's not in the bible. I pointed out that he should have no fear about reading that book, that it would actually increase his faith if he could prove it false.

  He then read me Psalm 83:18 and I was bloody freezing and couldn't work out how we ended up there so I told him I needed to go. He said he hoped to see me at the memorial, and wished me a good weekend.

  I am sorry this story was not more triumphant!

  He also had a child with him who kept running about in my front garden, he told the boy off, I told him not to worry about it as it gave me flashbacks to the horrors of childhood preaching.

  Gosh it was weird to be on the other side! Have any of you experienced this yet?
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  What do you think are the future doctrine changes will be?

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  the whole organization is going through huge and big changes.

  it can be seen by names of departments, to how things function and teaches.

  my questions to you is, what do you think the future changes will be, both in teaching and organizational matters?.

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  Laika

  neverendingjourney,

  Thanks, and I might have this wrong, but to clarify, from memory, they did away with 1935 as the end date for collecting the anointed (except replacements) but not as the start point for the gathering of the great crowd. Either way, people in the late 1930s (and later) who 'had an earthly hope' but have not survived are not part of the great crowd, which should be a problem.

  Edit: I suppose it's not so much a change to 1935 they need as a change to make dying JWs more special than deceased non-JWs. They actually messed this up already by changing the 'sheep and goats' interpretation.