Posts by RevFrank

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The word was a god

by gringojj in

who else supports this translation of john 1:1 besides that johannes greber guy?

Before the nwths the watchtower was stuck on the issue of John 1:1. This is one of the one reasons why they wanted to rewrite the bible. Gerber who was a catholic priest agreed on John 1:1. So did Wilson(Diagott).(Hort & Wescott) Wilson was a christiaphilidelphian.

Those who had other text in John 1:1 had Divine, logoes,ects. were related as ,"And the Word was God." these authors never thought that Christ was, "a god," but God.

And in greek "Theos," means God. Many scholars including a top scholar, who is an atheist made the statement that reads, "The Word was God." He had no axe to grind.

And to top it all off,From about 350 B.C. to 330 A.D.the greek was koine in dialect.

So be it......and the Word was God."

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Six Million Can't be Wrong .... part II

by robhic in

as a non-jw, i read with interest and amusement the thread "six million jws can't be wrong..." thread.

all great posts but as i was digesting them a thought occurred to me: the jw position is self-contradicting.

i know that's probably not a surprise to ex-jws, but i found it amusing.

RevFrank

if 6 million can't be wrong, what about the 10 million Mormons? let Joe smith and Rutherford argue over it......

Naturally...PEACE

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Jesus is Jehovah!!!!

by hibiscusfire in

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and the word was god or "a god" (kai theos en ho logos).

RevFrank

here's a catch.......I wrote it up on a different thread...I think....it's following the same question.

it is true that we are jehovah's witnesses......according to Isaiah 43:10......but again Jehovah God was speaking to Isaiah.

Yet in Acts we see that we are to be Jesus' witnesses......"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth."(ACTS 1:8)

So basically the witnesses speaking in Isaiah were the jews. And now since we were to be the gentiles we are witnesses of Jesus.

And here's a sobering thought....if we are to be Jehovah Witnesses, that would mean we believe that Jehovah is the incarnate Christ. and that's no double talk..just straight up.

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JW's Are Footstep Followers of Jesus Christ

by Honesty in

because the watchtower says they are but so far, i haven't seen any tangible evidence from any jehovah's witness i've ever met even when i was a jehovah's witness.

does anyone have solid proof the jw's are doing the things jesus did such as feeding the poor, nursing the sick (baptist, methodist, catholic, presbyterian hospitals are everywhere and are supported in part by donations from christian groups), providing spiritual refreshment to the soul, etc.?.

maybe i'm just not looking in the right places to see any evidence supporting the wtbts's claims that they are christians and following in jesus' footsteps.

RevFrank

it is true that we are jehovah's witnesses......according to Isaiah 43:10......but again Jehovah God was speaking to Isaiah.

Yet in Acts we see that we are to be Jesus' witnesses......"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth."(ACTS 1:8)

So basically the witnesses speaking in Isaiah were the jews. And now since we were to be the gentiles we are witnesses of Jesus.

And here's a sobering thought....if we are to be Jehovah Witnesses, that would mean we believe that Jehovah is the incarnate Christ. and that's no double talk..just straight up.

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But Rand Engine Company Is Not Involved In Developing Warfare Technology

by Honesty in

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friends

that's what 2 deceived ms's told a non-dub friend and his jw wife when they mentioned the wtbts owns 51% of a company's stock that is developing engines for the us military.

i know the ms's have the sec report for rand where warfare technology r&d is mentioned because i managed to get it to one of them without him knowing the source from whence it originated.

when my friend (he does all the questioning to keep his wife from getting called apostate) asked them where they got their 411 that rand is not developing warfare technology from the 2 dubs said, "the society told us".

RevFrank

http://www.brooklyntower.com/page12.htm

It's in frence so it needs translation http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/help/faq_translation.html#mean

it talks about the society and the Rand Company

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But Rand Engine Company Is Not Involved In Developing Warfare Technology

by Honesty in

jw
friends

that's what 2 deceived ms's told a non-dub friend and his jw wife when they mentioned the wtbts owns 51% of a company's stock that is developing engines for the us military.

i know the ms's have the sec report for rand where warfare technology r&d is mentioned because i managed to get it to one of them without him knowing the source from whence it originated.

when my friend (he does all the questioning to keep his wife from getting called apostate) asked them where they got their 411 that rand is not developing warfare technology from the 2 dubs said, "the society told us".

RevFrank

According to this link http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.brooklyntower.com/page12.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drand%2Bengine%2Bcompany%2Band%2Bwatchtower%2Bsociety%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2005-11,GGLD:en%26sa%3DG there is a bit of truth about it

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Watchtower Society and Horse Race?

by RevFrank in

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friends

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/dawson/cases/taxes/lufkin.htm

i ran across this link.

horse breading and the watchtower society?

RevFrank

Last year I found a link concerning the Watchtower Society and a horse race track.Dealing in gambling....?

Yet now I can't find it today. But then again in a google.com search engine I find plenty of sub-stories considering the Race track and the Watchtower......

Even if the Watchtower just supported someone or a group who owned or supported Horse racing, gambling is involved. And if so would the society say it's just like the U.N. scandal?

I heard that only the SHADOW knows for sure....

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Watchtower Society and Horse Race?

by RevFrank in

jw
friends

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/dawson/cases/taxes/lufkin.htm

i ran across this link.

horse breading and the watchtower society?

RevFrank

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/dawson/cases/taxes/lufkin.htm

I ran across this link. Horse breading and the Watchtower Society? Any lawyers out there?

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Life Was So Simple Before 1973

by RevFrank in

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friends

that was life before my ex-wife introduced me to her parents,(jehovah witnesses).

the committee told me it wasn't wise to do research for the watchtower was the final authority.

why the watchtower?

RevFrank

Thanks Jaffaceake for your comment.......And with Christ all things are possible....And Lawrenance......a Boston Hippy?Cool. San Francisco says, "Hi." I thank---{Society made me do it...lol} those Witnesses for forcing me to look beyond. Now it's my turn, through Christ, for educating them. With Christ, it's being done.

Honesty.....You're being too conservative, hemorrhaging.

Have fun Java.......keep up the good work...........

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If you do something contrary to what the bible teaches, how do you react?

by JH in

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friends

so many verses in the bible are so clear.

example: don't steal, don't fornicate, don't have sex with a person of the same sex....etc.

some verses couldn't be clearer.

RevFrank

Good question......Now I've read some of the comments and I thought I'd reply.

Someone said they may not do it..not just because it comes out of a book(bible). Others say their conscience is their guide. Cool.

Some say the Bible says not to kill. And of course it also talks about killing....Isreal's enemies. But if you examine it closly, it says not to murder. Murder is senseless killing.

Now many of us realizes jehovah Witnesses don't join the military. That's cool up to a point. Why? Because of the killing of the enemies. Yet the first few thousand years wars were made, especially to God's chosen people. God made war with His enemies. Yet King David followed God's rule on war.

Eye for an eye, life for a life.....the old text talked of civil law. Yet today we live under Grace.

Cornelius, Acts 10, was soldier. A centurion which as history says is a commander. He didn't give up his poisition. It says that he was a devout man and feard God.

So let's get this straight. jehovah witnesses have the right to refuse service from the military. It's in the Constitution. Yet the Bible says otherwise..........

In Romans 13:1-5 and 1Peter 2:13-15 states we should obay and submit to the governments. And what's more, if the governments do evil, God will judge them.

The Bible does not contradict itself. The Hebrew text,old testament, speaks under civil law....The Greek text,new testament, speaks of living under Grace.

I leave you with this thought..............

"knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."(2Peter 1:20,21)

PEACE