Welcome Emeril-You are in great company, and I'm sure that should you need one, you will find plenty of friends here. It does get quite addictive though. So watch out for the cult of chat and posting!
meadow77
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I'm new, too!
by emeril1BAM ini have never been on a forum before.
i was very happy to find this one while i was doing my research finding out the truth about the religion & just trying to heal from such a damaging religion.
i was raised in it from birth by a devout witness mother.
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Icicles
by meadow77 in.
i figured no-one at the kh ever told you the truth about icicles.
holiday cheer to everyone!
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Ruby "Hell on Heels " Tuesday
by RubyTuesday in.
type in your name and find out what your mob nick name would be.. http://www.rickmelfi.com/sopranos.html
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Meadow "the butcher" 77
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How to Witness to JehovahsWitnesses
by Beans ini believe that this link is very useful if you want to start talking to a jehovahs witness, just click on the slide presentation and your on your way!.
http://www.watchtowernews.org/howto/index.htm.
beans.
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Very interesting stuff-thanx for the info.
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Upset
by Vivamus ini am like an emotional screw up.
i am like a 17 year old with no ability to take harsh words in.
they upset me.
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Viv-I haven't had the chance to get to know you reeel well, but from all your posts, you seem to be super sweet. I'm sorry to hear you are having such a rough time. Sometimes, I guess you just have to be you, and let the chips fall where they may. families can be real hard to deal with like that, even non Jw ones. But hang in there, after all, that which does not kill us, makes us stronger.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Herk - you are a liar, just like you accuse everyone else of being. In my post before I told you how ridiculous you were being, I addressed your points. As I pointed out all you do when shown an argument contrary to what you believe, you name call, and refuse to accept any translations or definitions unless they are approved by you. Instead of using the bible you call people cry babies, drug users, typical trinitarians, and the list goes on and on, But should anyone say anything to you, What me? I'm perfect. I'm herk. I know everything, and no-one can refute me. Yet time and time again people do, and you simply ignore them, or start posting your ridiculous cartoons. I guess in your own mind you are a master at argument, but really your'e just a bully who refuses to play by the same rules as everyone else. Everyone else here has debated your points without being inflammatory, or rude. But you as a typical unitarian have to result to name calling and belittling behavior. And you want people to come out and play with you.If we are all so beneath you, why don't you start your own thread, and that way you can get your ego stroked by people more on your level.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Herk-I see now that no theologians or scholars can be accepted, unless they are used by you. No greek or hebrew can mean something unless you say it does.No translation is acceptable unless you use it. God could not possibly be saying something unless you think it's clear. You are a self righteous hypocrite who preaches about christian love and respect all the while providing perfect examples of how not to treat people. How can I say this in a nice way, Are you on drugs? Or perhaps this approach would work better-Liar liar pants on fire. I am not sure I have ever meant someone as pompous as you, who constantly tries to pretend it's not them, but everyone else. You said you were 70? That's a confusing fact considering you seem to have alot of growing up to to.
Edited by - meadow77 on 3 December 2002 23:9:55
Edited by - meadow77 on 3 December 2002 23:24:0
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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John 10:35-36 -God refers to those as heirs in eternal life as gods. In this same passage is where Christ A. states that he and the father are one. B. uses the Jewish laws against the Jews to prove that they were indeed attempting to stone him due to BLASPHEMY.
John 5: 18 Jews accuse Christ of blasphemy
John 5:23-Jesus again makes himself equal with God
Herk says that Christs death was over kingship or possibly because he forgave sins
The Jews were legalist-the point is not that they hated him, but what could they kill him for. Blasphemy to the Jews was making oneself equal with God. They state this everytime they refer to Christ and his blasphemy. "he has made himself equal with God"
Luke 23:40
I Chron 29: 20 and Daniel 2:46 are clearly examples of men honoring other men. No where does it state that the recipients of the honor were receiving worship. Men fell down and worshipped Jesus even when they wanted or needed nothing from him. Matthew 28: 9
Emmanuel is the proper name of many men today, and this in no way implies deity. This is an obvious fact that I am aware of. God gave the baby Jesus the name Emmanuel through his angel. Man did not give Jesus this name. Are we to understand that God the Father had no purpose in revealing this as the name of his son?
A man and his wife become one in spirit but this does not mean they become the same person. The word for one in Hebrew used in this passage is echod.
The term echod in Hebrew does not denote absolute unity but rather composite unity.
For another example we could use Numbers 13. Here echod is used when referring to a cluster of grapes. Only one stem of grapes is represented, but we know that there are many grapes on one cluster. Hence the use of echod. Where else do we see echod?
Deut 6:4 The Lord our God is one(echod) Lord. HHMMMMM
Scholars agree that John 1:1 cannot be effectively interpreted.
James Moffatt and Edgar Godspeed both render John 1:1 as "The word was divine." Neither of them argue against the trinity
The other most popular rendering is "the word was deity" Not changing the intention of John 1:1
Regardless of interpretation the fact that Jesus was the word is not disputable.
Your attempt to change Jesus from the word to words is weak.
Jesus was the word.
The word was made flesh
The word was and has been here from the beginning.
We see this even if we accept the JWs rendering of John 1:1, They dont even deny Jesus was the word, and whether he be God, or a god, he was here in the beginning.
Dr. Robertson states that eimi is translated "absolute"
This usage occurs four times in John
In Those passages the term is the same as the one used in the Septuagint.
This phrase is used only where the Jehovahs lordship is reiterated
John 8:24, 8:58, 13:19, 18:5
God asks us to reason with him. This is proof that we should not believe in something that is beyond our earthly comprehension.
Isaiah 55:8-9, Romans 11: 34-36
Certainly God knows that we have knowledge now, and reasoning powers by which to make better decisions. Is there any end to our reasoning skills?
God says that there is, See above verses
We are not to limit Gods existence to our human reasoning powers.
Are we given a reason for the creation of Satan, and why he was allowed to rebel?
There are many things about God and his creation for which no "reason" is given.
Do I know what Alpha and Omega mean?
First(protos)and last(eschatos)
Some have suggested that this means the first of creation, but that would be prototokas.
And even when Jesus is referred to as the firstborn or prototokas(which he is not in Rev) we know that this does not mean literally firstborn.
See Abraham and his firstborn son(prototokas)Isaac.
Was Isaac Abrahams first born son?
Jehovah gives his glory to no-one Isaiah 42:8, 48:11
Now read John 17:5
Does God contradict himself?
We know that Jesus emptied himself to become human like one of us. This was the only way he could die for humanities sin. While on earth he did not give up his deity, however we are told that he MADE himself a little lower than the angels, and placed himself under the authority of the Father while in human form. When Peter responds to Christ he is answering correctly, but so is Thomas in John 5:18. When Jesus says that the Father is greater than him, he is correct. While on earth in human form, made a slave to die for the sins of humanity, The father held a high position than he. Yet another example of a gross misinterpretation of what the trinity truly is.
When God says "Let us make man in our image" He was talking to his army. The angels are never said to have been created in Gods image, only man. "let us go down there and confound their language" Why does God need his angels to confuse peoples languages. God orders the angels to do things for him, he certainly would not need them to assist him in creation. We are told that God created the heavens and Earth by his word. We are told that He created man in his image. The only sense this passage makes is if he is speaking to someone who is already co-eternal with him.
It is odd that you would admit that the Holy Spirit is an extension of himself, but God.
Are you a completely separate person from your spirit?
Clearly the Spirit has a personality, you can deny this but the scriptures make it plain.
Acts 5:3-4 Acts 13:2-4 Acts 21:10-11
Edited by - meadow77 on 3 December 2002 2:20:58
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Famous monotheistic religions-Zoroastrianism, Islam, Hinduism, Mvelincanti, Judaism, Batak.
What's your point?
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I cried for the past
by joelbear ini cried for a long time today, very deeply, sobbing heavily for those i have lost in my life.
mostly due to watchtower rules.. i am developing a new set of bear friends and look forward to good times with them.. the suicidal thoughts have subsided.. i have never really tried to make a concrete set of friends here.
i think its time to do so.
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Joel Bear!!!!!!!!!
good to see you back. I hope you really are doing better. I think your'e great, and would love to be your friend. My email is listed, so you could write anytime. And if you ever need to talk, I would be happy to give you my #, and you could call me anytime. Hang in there. Lotsa love and sloppy kisses
Meadow77