But Tanner also said students who are being attacked by bullies are only allowed to restrain their attacker or ask for help from a teacher.
"Students cannot fight back," Tanner said. "Violence is not the answer to bullying."
Oh for crying out loud - someone ought to subject her to the sort of abuse this poor lad's gone through and see how easy she finds it not to defend herself; telling a teacher obviously did *loads* of good in this case.
This is the fault of the bully, the bully's family for raising him to behave appallingly and the school for doing nothing about it.
I'm not in generally in favour of bullied kids changing schools as a) it disrupts their schoolwork (especially if topics are done in a different order, etc) and b) bullied kids are bullied for a reason (easy target), the problem will just start up again; but it's gone so far in this case I hope he gets a place at another school where no-one knows him or what's happened.
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Will the bully be punished?
by Schizm inthe following two reports are about a 13-year-old jw boy who finally struck back at the one who bullied him for 2 years.
you will notice that neither report says anything at all about any sort of punishment being meted out to the bully.
the victim is to be punished while the real villain got off scot-free ... without even a slap on the wrist.
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brothers, are we eating things sacrificed to idols?
by in a new york bethel minute independs how you categorize that.
i know of certain fast-food restaurants that only serve halal meat.
if what i've been told is correct, halal meat is meat that has been blessed by a muslim priest (please correct me if i'm wrong).
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I didn't think not eating Halal was due to blood, I "knew" (if it *has* been officially banned by the WT - anyone got a WT CD-ROM?) that it was due to the animals being blessed.
One of the article explained how Kosher meat is blessed, I wonder how JWs can be sure their meat product marked Kosher wasn't the first or last to be slaughtered...? And as an earlier poster pointed out, many products carry Kosher labels. I'll have to take this up with a JW like I said. Thanks a lot for the links! -
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brothers, are we eating things sacrificed to idols?
by in a new york bethel minute independs how you categorize that.
i know of certain fast-food restaurants that only serve halal meat.
if what i've been told is correct, halal meat is meat that has been blessed by a muslim priest (please correct me if i'm wrong).
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I didn't think any JWs ate Halal meat, I thought they knew it was "wrong". I know that certainly when I was a kid my school used to have Halal burgers (we only rarely had burgers) as much more than half the kids there were Muslim - and I knew I had to have the veggie option instead (though I turned vegetarian at 11 as I never really liked the taste of meat anyway).
One of my mum's best friends is a devout Muslim and she declines food containing meat at her house (she spoils her guests!).
Adding: I don't know much about what's involved in Kosher law - but I *do* know that when I was younger during the ridiculous hoohah about "blood" in ice-cream (for crying out loud!) JWs used to fall over themselves to get to Marks and Spencer to buy their meat as it's run by Jews so they knew the meat would be "properly bled".
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Collecting magazines ???
by run dont walk inwhen i was in jw land, i used to like keeping a copy of each magazine, i did this for years, then one day my mom found them in my closet, and chewed me out for keeping them ( ???????
go figure).
she said magazines were for placing not keeping, do you know how much money you wasted, i might of been 13 or so at the time, i never forgot that experience.. anyone else have similar experiences regarding literature ??
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We have three bookcases in the living room, but only one small one has WT literature on it (as well as some ornaments and our cat and dog's ashes casket...) a bit of it was passed to mum by a JW who died, so we have some older stuff, but no older than the 60's.
My mum doesn't own a single bound volume - I'm not sure why, But she does have one of each of all the mags, tracts and brochures going back to 1985. They used to be stored loose in boxes on the floor of a cupboard until last year when I helped sort them out (there were many doubles which went in the recycling bin) into document wallets (one year of WT or Awake per wallet) and label them and pack them back away again - so I know where to find them if I need to see a quote in print.
I've never heard anyone say you shouldn't keep them though, well no-one's ever said it to her.
Edited to add: I've been asking the elder who still brings mags to mum to bring a CD-ROM (and the recent Great Teacher book), but he either won't or claims to forget - anyone know how to get these other than going to a KH? Have any of the mags had a mail-in coupon for the Great Teacher book and has anyone posted the CD-ROM .iso anywhere? -
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Your story in 3 sentences or less.......
by ApagaLaLuz inhey!
shotguns post got me thinking.
post your story is 3 sentences or less, if possible.
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My Mum got baptized when I was five, she's inactive but *just won't listen*.
Stopped attending at 14 due to chronic illness (ME), time away broke the spell.
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My Son is starting to hit problems with JW Mother.
by AlanB inmy son is 15 and lives with his mother in a strict jw reigime.
he told me the other day that he made arrangements to meet his friend from school to go skateboarding.
his mother found out and made him call his friend from school and cancel.. she then gave him a long lecture, complete with a young people ask video about association.
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Tell him *you* give him permission to go.
The objection is ridiculous, it's only skateboarding, he's not trotted off out for a merry evening of burglary!
All that will happen next time is he'll be sneaky and not *let* her find out, and obviously it's not good for him to start being deceitful.
Tell him *yes* you can get in trouble along with your friends if you follow them like a sheep, and *yes* if he was badly behaved he could get some of his friends and friends from the hall in trouble; but tell him *you* TRUST him to be smarter than that and not to get in trouble. His mum obviously *doesn't* trust him - of course she's worried about him getting into trouble, but unless that's founded due to a bad track record, then he deserves the benefit of the doubt and a chance to go to the skatepark with his mates.
If it was a meeting night she'd have a point (not that I'd agree with him going, just she'd have a "reason" for him not to be allowed out), but otherwise as long as he's not skating in a public area and causing a hazard and gets in early enough to do his homework, what's the problem?
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New WT study article on blood
by scotsman inflicking through what seems to be the latest watchtower i noticed there's an entire article on what blood products witnesses can/not take.
my brother was at a recent hospital liaison meeting and said that the rank & file seem to find it all rather confusing.
the article does a big bit on blood extract products being a conscience matter, and then includes the 'you must not stumble your brother' principle.
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So if a dub refuses a blood-derived product because they don't want to offend other dubs or be looked down on, and they then die - their family won't have any legal comeback. And I bet if you did have a blood derived product you *would* get treated differently, regardless of the WT's official line.
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Identity Cards ... good or bad idea?
by Simon inone of the questions in the uk at the moment is whether we shoudl have identity cards or not.. the government, who wants them, claims they will "help to prevent terrorism".
spain and the usa both have identity cards and they have had big terrorist attacks.
it's never been explained exactly how they will stop terrorists.. my personal opinion is that they are just another government play to control people, another form of tax (you can bet it will cost us to get them) and i have my doubts as to whether the government could run a large scale it project of that magnitude (given it's track record) and whether the estimated 3bn won't end up many years late and at least 10bn over-budget.
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What is your basis for saying that? Without a basis it's a complete and utter load of crap.
No, it isn't - the point of the cards is to make the country more secure... surely terrorists discuss their plans in their homes!
Why wouldn't terrorists be legally in the country, why wouldn't they have been *born* here? Why wouldn't they have a legal ID card? -
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Identity Cards ... good or bad idea?
by Simon inone of the questions in the uk at the moment is whether we shoudl have identity cards or not.. the government, who wants them, claims they will "help to prevent terrorism".
spain and the usa both have identity cards and they have had big terrorist attacks.
it's never been explained exactly how they will stop terrorists.. my personal opinion is that they are just another government play to control people, another form of tax (you can bet it will cost us to get them) and i have my doubts as to whether the government could run a large scale it project of that magnitude (given it's track record) and whether the estimated 3bn won't end up many years late and at least 10bn over-budget.
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The ID cards will not be out for another 10 years. The supporters say they will save us from terrorism... what about in those 10 years? Are the terrorists going to just twiddle their thumbs and wait for the government to be ready?! I think the money would be better spent on making sure we *are* safe. The other day a suspected terrorist was released from prison because he was stressed out by prison... I don't support holding people without charge, but that doesn't mean we should be letting dangerous people go: charge them and stick them on remand! People who don't mind ID cards shouldn't mind having CCTV in every room in their house, and in their cars. What have you got to hide?!
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staying out of school assembly!
by happehanna indoes anyone else remember how awful school was because of the dreaded school assembly.. my whole school life was blighted because i couldn't go in.
my young son can goes in and it is the best part of his day, he loves the hymns.
how glad am i that i came to my senses before my son suffered like i did as a child.
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In infants school I didn't go to religious assemblies (and I went to a very multicultural school and all festivals were celebrated, so I missed a lot of them), and I didn't go in on Mondays when they did the birthdays. When I did go in if there was a *hymn* I just didn't sing it, but if it was something Jesus-y but not overly so, I did (and if I liked the song :)) I used to stay in the classroom and do whatever I wanted like play in the play corner, certainly didn't carry on with my work! :) In Junior school they didn't make a big thing about religion. And most of the songs were secular, so I only missed one or two songs - and I didn't leave the hall, I just didn't sing. In senior school assemblies were non-religious and had no songs. They were mostly for announcements. The only time I had to sit out anywhere was when it was RE - outside the headmasters's office in the library in Junior school and in the lobby a couple of times in Senior school - but that usually meant getting told off for getting thrown out of class by a teacher who didn't bother to *ask* why I was there! :) I think I had it easy - going to a primary school with lots of religions and cultures and a secondary school which was entirely secular really made things easier.