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  Wow - Scientology is so similar to Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
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  i recently watched this excellent interview with ex members of scientology.

  i was blown with how much former members sound like ex jehovah's witnesses.

  both organizations are so similar.. here's a link to the interview:.

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  Simon that's a good point. So in other words, they are intentionally applying mind control cult tactics?
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  Wow - Scientology is so similar to Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently watched this excellent interview with ex members of scientology.

  i was blown with how much former members sound like ex jehovah's witnesses.

  both organizations are so similar.. here's a link to the interview:.

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  In my late teens/early 20's, I was often a magnet for different cults attempting to lure me in. 

  I remember Scientology carts and tables all over Los Angeles at that time. A Scientologist pulled me over and discussed the organization as I was walking by. He handed over the book Dianetics to take home. I remember how fascinating the book was after reading a few chapters and was planning on going to a meeting until a friend informed me it was a cult. 

  Scientology has taken over Hollywood. Their buildings are everywhere. My love was invited to the Celebrity Center once when he was disfellowshipped. He later told me how robotic everyone was and strongly felt it was a cult. Ironic.

  Watching the interview made me feel like I was on this board. 
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  Wow - Scientology is so similar to Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently watched this excellent interview with ex members of scientology.

  i was blown with how much former members sound like ex jehovah's witnesses.

  both organizations are so similar.. here's a link to the interview:.

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  Illuminated

  I recently watched this excellent interview with ex members of Scientology. I was blown with how much former members sound like ex Jehovah's Witnesses. Both organizations are so similar.

  Here's a link to the interview:
  

  http://youtu.be/iE3e-Ox3NMI 

  What do Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole think about Scientology?
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  JWs and Multiple Personality Disorder

  by Illuminated in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i remember the first time i was hit with my loves cult personality.

  knowing the real him, my jaw dropped witnessing this switch.

  i thought he had lost it.

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  rebel8 thank you for clarifying. Prior to creating this thread, a friend of mine had mentioned DID/dissociative disorder when I spoke to her about the natural self being split from the cult personality. I googled the info a bit prior to creating this thread, but was further confused in the articles I read. 

  Hassan did't mention DID in the video--my mistake in thinking it was the same thing. He did respond to another question stating many professionals misdiagnose cult member's symptoms when it's actually a cause of the cult.
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  JWs and Multiple Personality Disorder

  by Illuminated in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i remember the first time i was hit with my loves cult personality.

  knowing the real him, my jaw dropped witnessing this switch.

  i thought he had lost it.

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  Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm still a bit confused and  perhaps I'm not understanding DID fully. I did watch this video...http://youtu.be/MduiLRExRyc

  At 30:36 Steve Hassan says:

  "As a mental health professional I would talk about mind control as a dissociative disorder where you're split from yourself, from your true self or your authentic self and part of the healing is feeling your feelings, having your thoughts and developing a tool kit for reality testing..." 
  
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  JW's - lack of knowledge of their own beliefs

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why are so many jehovah's witnesses unaware of their own beliefs.

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  i would imagine the repetitive meetings, studies and door to door knocking would firmly root them in their beliefs.. yet, i've observed they either back out of challenging questions at times, or share a link to jay w org.. .

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  Religious people in general are often ignorant of their own religious doctrine.

  Some are. Yet, the ones I know, choose their mind over handing their minds to a group of men to control for them. It's extremely contradicting, dangerous and strange to claim you have the truth, know the truth, preach about it, hand your entire life over, yet be ignorant of what you actually believe.
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  JWs and Multiple Personality Disorder

  by Illuminated in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i remember the first time i was hit with my loves cult personality.

  knowing the real him, my jaw dropped witnessing this switch.

  i thought he had lost it.

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  Strangely, my Bible Study Conductor spoke to me about how sometimes when witnessing someone would ask a question, and he would recall an answer that he had forgotten he knew, and how it must have been the Holy Spirit taking him over.

  "Holy Spirit" in WT terms aka cult personality. Creepy. 

  I just watched a video on Youtube with Steve Hassan. He was at an exJW event/film review answering questions from ex members. He did confirm Jehovah's Witnesses (cult members in general) have dissociative  personality disorders--cult personality versus the natural/real personality.

  http://youtu.be/MduiLRExRyc

  
  
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  JW's - lack of knowledge of their own beliefs

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why are so many jehovah's witnesses unaware of their own beliefs.

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  i would imagine the repetitive meetings, studies and door to door knocking would firmly root them in their beliefs.. yet, i've observed they either back out of challenging questions at times, or share a link to jay w org.. .

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  Control is not about the teachings, it is about the concept that they are a special people. I think the GB are becoming more aware of that, and so have cut back on heavy doctrine, and now push more the idea that they are the chosen ones, and there are no one else on earth like JWs. The doctrine are basically just filler to make the religion look legitimate. 

  Reminds me of how pedophiles lure and confuse the victim by giving them attention and making them feel special, except the WTS does it on a larger scale. It's pretty sick.
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  JWs versus Scientology

  by millie210 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been discussing scientology with a friend who is reading dianetics by l. ron hubbard.. both groups are considered cults by many.. both have a policy of shunning members who leave.. so in your opinion, what are the similarities you find between them?.

  what are the differences?.

  is one group "worse"?.

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  Outside looking in, they're both creepy.
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  Tips for bringing out the real personality

  by Illuminated in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what can we do as non jw members or ex jw's to bring out the natural personality of an indoctrinated jw?.

  it's mentioned by cult experts and former jw's to keep things light and stay clear of direct cult info.

  it's difficult for me to do this as i generally like to dive into the deeper waters of emotions, thoughts, subjects and connect on that level.

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  What can we do as non JW members or ex JW's to bring out the natural personality of an indoctrinated JW?

  It's mentioned by cult experts and former JW's to keep things light and stay clear of direct cult info. It's difficult for me to do this as I generally like to dive into the deeper waters of emotions, thoughts, subjects and connect on that level. Yet, I've continued to do so anyway. 

  As a non Witness, I'm currently shunned. It hurts. Yet, what's important more so is I cannot relay information and connect in a way that would cause a ripple. I do sense my emails are being read.