dupe defined:
a person who functions as the tool of another person or power.
the scene in the image below is a most popular one during the month of december.
Leolaia & Narkissos:
thank you both for your entries. but don't you think it rather strange that the only ones who saw the "star" were the Magi? the shepherds learned of the Messiah's birth, not by having seen a miraculous star, but from having it announced to them by the angels. what do you think about this?
Skiz
dupe defined:
a person who functions as the tool of another person or power.
the scene in the image below is a most popular one during the month of december.
ooooh, maybe I hijacked the thread!!! -----so sorry-----I submit, your cult are the ones that are duped for the reasons listed above and it has everything to do with the topic.
Gretchen
you're being less than truthful.
the title of this topic is: "Wise Men," or Duped Men?
if that title isn't plain enough for you to see what the subject is about, then my initial comments should have made it ever so plain.
if you persist in hijacking my thread you will be reported to Simon. you've obviously entered my thread for no other purpose than to be antagonistic, and Simon has repeatedly requested that persons not be that way. do you need to hear from him directly? I think that can be arranged if necessary.
Skiz
dupe defined:
a person who functions as the tool of another person or power.
the scene in the image below is a most popular one during the month of december.
Where did you get that quote, the Watchtower?
that was not a quote. they were my very own words.
BTW, since you obviously have a burning desire to vent your feelings about the many things that you brought up, why not start your own thread dealing with those topics, instead of trying to convert the topic here into one that suits your agenda. you said very little that has to do with the subject of THIS topic. I request that you not take advantage of the topic that I posted simply for the purpose of using it as a platform to 'preach' your own favorite message.
Skiz
dupe defined:
a person who functions as the tool of another person or power.
the scene in the image below is a most popular one during the month of december.
dupe defined: 2. a person who functions as the tool of another person or power.
the scene in the image below is a most popular one during the month of december. however, few people realize that those men were actual dupes of Satan himself. Satan, rather than God, was unquestionably the source of the "star" that they saw. Satan had hoped to use these men in accomplishing the death of the Messiah while yet a boy, by means of bringing them into contact with jealous King Herod. it was due to their visit to Jerusalem that Herod learned that there was a person destined to become king who had been born. Herod then attempted to destroy the child, but failed. yet a multitude of children wound up being slaughtered because of this so-called "wondrous star". I wonder how many people would still want this "star" adorning the top of their Christmas Tree if they only knew the truth about it? but just as "the three wise men" were in the dark regarding the true source of the "star" such is also the case with people today. -- Skiz.
i am thinking of writing a letter of disasociation, sometimes when faced with a hard decision i make a list, a lot of times it takes a number of lists befor i get any clearity.
here is my list so far.. 1) do i really need to in order to recover?
its been almost 8 years doesnt time help to heal?.
Jim,
and YOU condemn the WTS for its usage of theocratic war strategy? do you know what people normally call your doing so?
Skiz
the desolation of egypt .
jeremiah 43:8-13 .
then the word of yhwh came to jeremiah in tahpanhes, saying, "take large stones in your hands and hide them in the mortar in the brick which is at the entrance of pharaoh's palace in tahpanhes in the sight of some jewish men and say to them, 'thus says yhwh of hosts, the god of israel, "behold, i am going to send and get nebuchadnezzar the king of babel, my servant, and i am going to set his throne over these stones that i have hidden; and he will spread his canopy over them.
City,
i want to pursue our subject further, but first I would like to know what you think with regards to the extent of Medo-Persia's rule.
as you do with regards to Babylon, would you also argue against Medo-Persia having ruled the entire known world of its day?
please note the following text, along with my thoughts regarding that text, and tell me what you think:
Daniel 2:39 says:this verse can be discerned as saying that, like Babylon, both Medo-Persia and Greece was to "rule over the whole earth." t hat Cyrus, king of Persia, did exercise World Rule is attested to by his own words: "All the kingdoms of the earth Jehovah ... has given me." (Ezra 1:2) a secular document as well, known as the Cyrus Cylinder, has Cyrus proclaiming himself to be ruler of the world: "I am Cyrus, king of the world...."
39 And after you [Babylon] there will rise another kingdom [Medo-Persia] inferior to you; and another kingdom [Greece], a third one, of copper, that will rule over the whole earth.
Skiz
the desolation of egypt .
jeremiah 43:8-13 .
then the word of yhwh came to jeremiah in tahpanhes, saying, "take large stones in your hands and hide them in the mortar in the brick which is at the entrance of pharaoh's palace in tahpanhes in the sight of some jewish men and say to them, 'thus says yhwh of hosts, the god of israel, "behold, i am going to send and get nebuchadnezzar the king of babel, my servant, and i am going to set his throne over these stones that i have hidden; and he will spread his canopy over them.
City,
Skiz,Here's a quote about Nebuchadnezzar in another book I have:
'During his reign of 43 years, he took possession of the territories once occupied by the Assyrian World Power and extended his domain, taking in Syria to the north and Palestine to the west down to the border of Egypt.'
The book also has a map of the Babylonian Empire which does not include Egypt, Elam, Media, Anatolia, Scythia, Persia, Greece etc etc..
See pages 63-64 of the book 'Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy' 1999 published by The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.
Will this reference do??
thanks for providing that "quote," City. it's nice to know that I'm not dealing with a lazy person here. however, to be honest, I personally see no justification for placing one's faith in what some so-called "history book" claims to have happened so long ago. do you really think that such books are infallible? 100% reliable? there are many people who think that just because something is written down in some sophisticated book somewhere that it has to be gospel truth. of course neither you nor I were there in order to verify the matter. did you know that people have disputes over far more recent history?
with reference to the publication produced by the WTS, that you call attention to, I don't accept just anything that its writers say as being gospel truth either. i know all too well that such ones are mere men, fully capable of misunderstanding many things. why is it though that you yourself would prefer to trust the world's history books over what the Bible itself says?
Skiz
the desolation of egypt .
jeremiah 43:8-13 .
then the word of yhwh came to jeremiah in tahpanhes, saying, "take large stones in your hands and hide them in the mortar in the brick which is at the entrance of pharaoh's palace in tahpanhes in the sight of some jewish men and say to them, 'thus says yhwh of hosts, the god of israel, "behold, i am going to send and get nebuchadnezzar the king of babel, my servant, and i am going to set his throne over these stones that i have hidden; and he will spread his canopy over them.
Try the following books:.....................Hope these references are helpful.
well, thanks City, for the assignment. *LOL* you should realize though that since it was YOU that made the assertion, "In no way could Nebuchadnezzar be described as 'ruler over all mankind'" then the burden rests upon YOU to supply the proof that backs up your claim. all that you've done so far though, is say to Skiz: "The proof is in such and such books, and all YOU, Skiz, have to do is search for it." thus, you're asking me to carry what is rightly YOUR burden. since it is you that made the claim, then it is incumbent upon you to furnish specific "quotes" that you think would support your argument. as I've already demonstrated, the Bible indicates that Babylon, during Nebuchadnezzar's time, ruled the entire then known world. can you, or can you not, supply specific proof to the contrary?
Skiz
the desolation of egypt .
jeremiah 43:8-13 .
then the word of yhwh came to jeremiah in tahpanhes, saying, "take large stones in your hands and hide them in the mortar in the brick which is at the entrance of pharaoh's palace in tahpanhes in the sight of some jewish men and say to them, 'thus says yhwh of hosts, the god of israel, "behold, i am going to send and get nebuchadnezzar the king of babel, my servant, and i am going to set his throne over these stones that i have hidden; and he will spread his canopy over them.
City & Pete,
Simply because it wasn't. In fact a quick look at any history book shows that Babylon was never a 'World Empire'.... In no way could Nebuchadnezzar be described as 'ruler over all mankind'.
you make assertions without showing your source. since all it takes, according to you, is "a quick look at any history book," then you apparently won't mind going to the trouble of doing just that and posting a few quotes from such a source along with the name of the publication and the page number. otherwise, you're asking others to just take YOUR word for all that you've said.
Skiz
the desolation of egypt .
jeremiah 43:8-13 .
then the word of yhwh came to jeremiah in tahpanhes, saying, "take large stones in your hands and hide them in the mortar in the brick which is at the entrance of pharaoh's palace in tahpanhes in the sight of some jewish men and say to them, 'thus says yhwh of hosts, the god of israel, "behold, i am going to send and get nebuchadnezzar the king of babel, my servant, and i am going to set his throne over these stones that i have hidden; and he will spread his canopy over them.
These words of supposed prophecy failed as Egypt was never conquered by Nebuchadnezzar....
i find myself having to disagree with you, pete. for example, Daniel 2:37-38 says:
37 You, O king, the king of kings, you to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, and the strength and the dignity, 38 and into whose hand he has given, wherever the sons of mankind are dwelling, the beasts of the field and the winged creatures of the heavens, and whom he has made ruler over all of them, you yourself are the head of gold.
the sort of rule which Babylon exercised can be appraised by those words spoken to Nebuchadnezzar. In verse 37, his being dubbed "king of kings" suggests that he ruled over all other kings of his day. in verse 38, Nebuchadnezzar is shown to have been "made ruler over all" of mankind, "wherever" they might have dwelt. agreeably, a comment in Revelation--Its Grand Climax At Hand!, page 137 states: "... when Babylon was overthrown by the armies of Cyrus, and its king made an abrupt descent from world rulership to shameful defeat...." yes, according to the Scriptures, Babylon too ruled the "world" of its day!
in view of the above, how can you say that "Egypt was never conquered by Nebuchadnezzar"?
