This will probably be the first meeting I openly boycott. It's sickening. I was just thinking to myself last week how JWs are so much like Harold Camping. The difference is Camping decided to shut up after he was wrong for the third time.
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I want to picket an assembly UK.
by quellycatface ini feel like going to picket an assembly this summer.how do i do this?does it still happen?
ideas most welcome.thanks.
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pronomono
You'd probably be better off striking up conversation with random JWs and passing out older copies of questionable Watchtowers and the JWFacts one page quick sheet.
Here's an idea. Set up a literature cart displaying all our apostate literature. Make it look reminiscent of the JW.Org carts.
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Do you pray over your meals? If so why? If not, when did you stop and why?
by BU2B into answer my question, no i do not pray over meals anymore exept for when i am with other jws i do a 15 second head bow for appearances sake.
i just came to the realization god had nothing to do with whether i ate or not.
many believers are starving right now whilst many non-believers are eating like kings.. also why should god give me food while he lets little children in dprk concentration camps starve to death.
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Sometimes when my wife spends a lot of time on an awesome dinner I still feel like I should thanksomeone like a prayer. But, the funny thing is it feels like i should say prayer to her. Seriously. I was laughing telling her the other day. I feel like praying to her and thanking her.
Comatose, my thoughts, exactly.
Currently, I pray for appearances only during my fade.
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Funny experience last night...
by pronomono inmy story in brief..... after being a born-in, getting baptized at 15, and seeking to excel based on the approval of elders and my parents, i hit a bump in the road.
i moved to a new congregation, and was a little more than disheartened by the lack of love.
with all my responsibilities removed from the recent move and being told that i no longer qualified for responsibilities due to my declining activity, i sat down to do some long overdue research to appreciate our spiritual heritage.
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Frazzled, it would be hard to do much else openly since his wife is very much in. I'm not trying to out myself just yet, but if and when I see him around outside the KH, I do plan to continue making a good faith effort to show him unconditional love. In the KH, it's a bit harder but a handshake and a warm smile doesn't seem out of place.
I'm mainly staying in now (besides family/friends) because I want to experience the international convention we are scheduled for in New Orleans. I've got a gut feeling that the content is going to continue to dumbfound us and provide great talking points with my wife. I need to be in somewhat good standing at that point if I have any hope of helping my wife and family. Plus that date is symbolic to me in that it will be my one year anniversary learning TTATT.
So I'm still walking the fine line between being the man I want to be and the man I'm expected to be.
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Don't let your job interfere with your meeting attendance
by Quarterback inrecently, a public speaker brought up this point that i remembered being preached in the 70's.
when they bring this matter up, they always manage to give you an experience of how one person stood his ground, and got a great job offer, as a result.. what about the many experiences of ones that were not blessed?
i can memtion horror stories of ones that should have kept working their meetings..
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pronomono
Don't let your job interfere with your meeting attendance
Better advice....Don't let researching TTATT interfere with your job.
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Funny experience last night...
by pronomono inmy story in brief..... after being a born-in, getting baptized at 15, and seeking to excel based on the approval of elders and my parents, i hit a bump in the road.
i moved to a new congregation, and was a little more than disheartened by the lack of love.
with all my responsibilities removed from the recent move and being told that i no longer qualified for responsibilities due to my declining activity, i sat down to do some long overdue research to appreciate our spiritual heritage.
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It really does Phizzy. Hopefully I'll run into him around town some more since I don't see him as much at the KH (primarily because I'm not there as much now).
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Funny experience last night...
by pronomono inmy story in brief..... after being a born-in, getting baptized at 15, and seeking to excel based on the approval of elders and my parents, i hit a bump in the road.
i moved to a new congregation, and was a little more than disheartened by the lack of love.
with all my responsibilities removed from the recent move and being told that i no longer qualified for responsibilities due to my declining activity, i sat down to do some long overdue research to appreciate our spiritual heritage.
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My story in brief....
After being a born-in, getting baptized at 15, and seeking to excel based on the approval of elders and my parents, I hit a bump in the road. I moved to a new congregation, and was a little more than disheartened by the lack of love. With all my responsibilities removed from the recent move and being told that I no longer qualified for responsibilities due to my declining activity, I sat down to do some long overdue research to appreciate our spiritual heritage. I started with Studies in the Scriptures and Millions Now Living. I was dumbfounded by the things I learned and was curious how much other crap we used to teach as "truth". This led to severe cognitive dissonance, marital problems, and depression. All three are slowly getting better with time. It seems that the more meetings we miss, the better it gets. I've been fading since July 2013 and have only been door to door twice since then. I miss, on average two or three meetings a month, but this month has been particularly good since I've missed two weeks straight. I haven't received a single call from the elders for encouragement, not even the one that just a few weeks ago claimed he'd be in touch weekly because it was his duty in light of the recent BOE letter.
So after missing two weeks straight, I walk into the supermarket to get some beer, apple cider to be more specific, and I see a brother at our hall. I've always liked this brother because he's one of the few that have been nice to me, so I approach him to see how he's doing.
Me: "Hey bro! What's going on? I haven't seen you for a while."
Bro: "Hey! What's up?" (He stops. Looks at me really closely.) "Oh wait, I'm not supposed to talk to you."
Me: (Initial reaction. Oh crap. They've found out. I've been disfellowshipped and they didn't even tell me, or at least marked. Those pricks!) "Really? What's up?"
Bro: "Oh, I was disfellowshipped last night." (And he starts to walk off as fast as he can.)
Me: (I start to walk off fast with him to.) "I'm sorry to hear that bro."
Bro: (Still trying to get away.) "Don't worry, I'll be back."
Me: "I know. I still got to check on my brother though. I can't shun you like that. You know that."
So we stopped and chatted for a bit. I tried to get him to tell me what happened and why they disfellowshipped him, but he wouldn't say anything except it was too personal. He assured me that things were great with him and his wife. (My guess is pornography.) I assured him that I was there for him if he needed anything.
It felt good not shunning him. Especially after this time a year ago I met an older sister that was disfellowshipped and shrunk back like she was diseased when she told me her status. I guess I've come a long way from where I was, but I still have quite a journey left ahead of me.
Thanks everyone for helping me to begin mustering up the courage to do what's right and be a better person.
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Abhor Menstruating Women.......Because The FDS say so.
by pronomono inwow.
the insight book has some outlandish reasoning.
i'm trying to put together a talk for tomorrow night, the number 3 on abhorrent things (insight vol 1, p 17) and the entire first half links abhorrent things to menstruating women through a "possible" derived word that might mean uncleaness.
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So that's where those warts came from....... Lol. I never knew. Now I can explain it to the wife.
Never going to the KH isn't an option yet, but I feel a sickness coming on tonight. I might call out sick or dead...... spiritually speaking of course. I have to be for not understanding this fine piece of literature most likely written by Freddie.
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Abhor Menstruating Women.......Because The FDS say so.
by pronomono inwow.
the insight book has some outlandish reasoning.
i'm trying to put together a talk for tomorrow night, the number 3 on abhorrent things (insight vol 1, p 17) and the entire first half links abhorrent things to menstruating women through a "possible" derived word that might mean uncleaness.
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Wow. The Insight book has some outlandish reasoning. I'm trying to put together a talk for tomorrow night, the number 3 on Abhorrent Things (Insight Vol 1, p 17) and the entire first half links abhorrent things to menstruating women through a "possible" derived word that might mean uncleaness. Then it goes on to say how we should hate abhorrent things. Are they implying that I should hate my wife because she menstruates? That's ridiculous.
It then tries to relate this menstruating woman to idolatry when these two things are in an entirely different class. Menstruating is uncleaness due to natural bodily functions in our imperfect state. Idolatry is a willful sin. How does unwillful uncleaness even begin to relate to willful sinning?
Am I totally off base and missing the point? This talk has me stumped.
Below is the source if you'd like to humor a read.
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Insight Vol 1, Page 17
ABHORRENT THING
The Hebrew word nid·dah ′ occurs 30 times in the Hebrew Scriptures and is possibly derived from the root word na·dhah ′ , which means “exclude; put out of mind (refuse to think of).” (Isa 66:5; Am 6:3) Nid·dah ′ indicates impurity, something abhorrent, whether physically, as for example, from menstruation (Le 12:2, 5; 15:20, 24, 25, 33), or morally, as from idolatry. (Ezr 9:11; 2Ch 29:5) The same Hebrew word is used with regard to the “water for cleansing” (Nu 19:9-21; 31:23, NW; “water used in case of menstruation,” Nu 19:9, NW, ftn; “water of separation,” KJ; “water for impurity,” RS, AT; “lustral water,” JB), indicating water used to remove that which is impure or unclean.
Thus, at Lamentations 1:17 Jeremiah says that Jerusalem in her desolation “has become an abhorrent thing [“as a menstruous woman,” KJ; “objeto de abominación,” NC (Spanish); “abhorrent,” AT] in among them [that is, among the surrounding nations].”
Prior to Jerusalem’s destruction by Babylon, Jehovah said of the people of Israel through his prophet Ezekiel: “The house of Israel were dwelling upon their soil, and they kept making it unclean with their way and with their dealings. Like the uncleanness of menstruation [nid·dah ′ ] their way has become before me.” (Eze 36:17) Due to idolatrous practices, Israel was spiritually impure and would thus be avoided by her husbandly owner, Jehovah God, and would be reunited with him spiritually only after cleansing. Thus, at verse 25, Jehovah says: “And I will sprinkle upon you clean water, and you will become clean; from all your impurities and from all your dungy idols I shall cleanse you.”—Compare Eze 18:6.
At Ezekiel 7:19, 20 God expresses his anger against Israel for having made religious images with their silver and their gold and says that he will, therefore, cause them to throw their silver and their gold into the streets as an “abhorrent thing [nid·dah ′ ].”—Compare Isa 30:22; see DISGUSTING THING, LOATHSOME THING.
Abhorrence. Other Hebrew expressions having the sense of “abhorrence” are quts, referring to the emotional reaction and defined as “abhor; have an abhorrence of; feel a sickening dread of” (Ge 27:46; 1Ki 11:25; Nu 22:3), and ga· ʽ al ′ , also meaning “abhor,” but indicating a rejection of the object abhorred. (Le 26:11, 15, 30; 2Sa 1:21, ftn) In the Greek Septuagint these Hebrew words at times are rendered pro·so·khthi ′ zo, signifying “become disgusted” (Ge 27:46; Le 26:15; compare Heb 3:10), and bde·lys ′ so·mai, conveying the sense of “express abhorrence of; have disgust for.”—Le 20:23; 26:11; compare Ro 2:22.
Because the Canaanites were guilty of sexual immorality and perversion, idolatry, and spiritistic practices, the Most High abhorred them, and this resulted in his decreeing their destruction. (Le 20:2-23) The Israelites were warned that, if they became disobedient, Jehovah would also abhor them, withdrawing his protection and blessing. By reason of loyalty to his covenant made with Israel, however, he would not abhor them to the point of bringing about their complete extermination. (Le 26:11-45) In the case of those who will prove to be wicked, the resurrection will turn out to be one to eternal “abhorrence” (Heb., de·ra· ʼ ohn ′ ). It will be a resurrection to condemnatory judgment resulting in everlasting cutting-off.—Da 12:2; Joh 5:28, 29.
Deliberate rejection of Jehovah’s commands, reproof, and provisions constitutes an improper abhorrence. The Israelites were guilty of this when they refused to follow Jehovah’s commands, as well as when they came to abhor the manna as “contemptible bread.” (Nu 21:5; Le 26:15) Proverbs 3:11 counsels against ‘abhorring Jehovah’s reproof.’
At Romans 12:9 Christians are admonished: “Abhor what is wicked.” The Greek term here rendered “abhor” (a·po·sty·ge ′ o ) is the intensive form of the Greek verb meaning “hate,” and thus literally means “hate intensely.” A person’s failing to abhor what is wicked, no longer loathing it, can result in his becoming an object of Jehovah’s abhorrence.
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Should I Tell a Witness that I Am an Apostate?
by Band on the Run ini sometimes join discussion groups.
the witnesses do get mentioned.
i try to make it humorous but some bitterness seeps through.
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Phizzy, like AlphaMan said it's impossible to be a JW apostate.
The reason? We received advancing light and moved forward with Jehovah's progressive organization. It was the GB that was not adaptive enough to keep up with advancing light. They have clung to old light and past truths. (Proverbs 4:18)